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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:20:09 MDT
The special's definitely fake; I got alerted to it by someone, and then looked, and it was weird to say the least. Didn't trust it and still don't. Rule of thumb with me-don't trust Wikipedia when it comes to the franchise. There's been several instances where really immature people went and edited it to say false info. Plus...tanukis. Just. Think about that. TANUKIS. And their rather...INTERESTING anatomy.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:22:55 MDT
...I'm just gonna have to type these out in Word or Notepad (and the same for dA). For whatever reason the color scheme and...IDK, width (I guess) is hard on my eyes. o_O And scrolling back and forth doesn't help either.

I tried with Chops Day actually (heck I try with a lot of experiment days-problem is that there's a lot to keep up with, especially now with it being June and the six series being the most complete-like I've had to skip a few because of the sheer number of 60-*insert number here*). (Also another issue with that particular day is that it's the movie's anniversary, so Chopsuey tends to get passed over in favor of it). I also just did something for 627 day and got that uploaded.
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StarryBlast9

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Mon, 29 May 2017 19:53:52 MDT
School has FINALLY let up enough to where I can come back, sorry for the very long absence.

To Stitchthebest36:

I know Lilo's a kid, but that can only excuse so much. She's going to have to take some responsibility at some point, and she should be at least realizing what she did wrong (or have someone tell her-Nani for example) or the impact she could have by going against those principles. If she WAS going to contradict herself, maybe the writers could've had her do so in a less drastic situation-say, a fight with Stitch or something to that effect. But really, why the heck did the Grand Councilwoman give a couple of children (Stitch is a VERY young experiment) the task of reforming over 600 bioweapons with a variety of different personalities and situations. As what happened with the captured experiments, Lilo and Stitch weren't mature enough to handle certain, more complicated situations (such as those of Angel, Reuben, Heat, Hammerface, Thresher, and Plasmoid).

I think your theory's very possible; plus no one really actually CHECKED to see if Stitch was alive (the only indication of his death is the depleted charge dropping to nothing). I dunno when it comes to the glitch itself though...his eyes were glowing (as in giving off an actual glow), he was jerking around, and he wasn't responding to her. Something should've clicked with Lilo that Stitch had something wrong with him, especially during his outburst at the hula school.

(Also I responded to your dA comment explaining what happened with that one guy)

To Elastico's Foot:

Same. Instead of getting frustrated over not getting the attention of a boy (which I actually found really gross and slightly offensive because I had a lot of male friends as opposed to female friends growing up), Lilo should've instead gotten to said point over something like her passions. Like maybe frustration over people not understanding WHY she likes certain things-such as bugs or the supernatural for example. Such a scenario would've been much more in character and relatable, especially to girls who shared said interests.

Well, we had the 627 episode...and that was about it. Jumba obviously hides a lot from the other members of his family, so its weird that no one really questions him or what he does. That's an interesting route to take, but I've seen your characterization of Jumba, so I suppose it's a rather appropriate ending.

Also, can I actually ask something? Because I'm wondering how exactly you view Angel's series portrayal as progressive. Maybe we don't see eye to eye on this but I personally view a progressive female character as doing more than just fighting. For me, it was also having a strong character, being proactive, etc. I actually viewed Angel's series portrayal as REgressive when I was a kid due to her (In my opinion) lack of overall character, flaws, and design. I get they couldn't fit in a very defined character given how she was captured, but still. In contrast, Bonnie and Yin were more progressive in my opinion; they had noticeable flaws (Yin had her temper, Bonnie was arrogant and manipulative), they didn't have the whole conventional "hourglass/pretty" design, and they also did things for themselves as opposed to just for Clyde or Yang (Angel by contrast, does a LOT of things and makes a lot of choices based more on Stitch's love for her instead of herself. Case in point, she should've broken out in "Snafu" for herself, not because Stitch told her he loved her). Maybe I'm missing something here, but looking through your thoughts on this, it seems to me that you're focusing more on Angel taking action as opposed to her strength of character. So I'm just kinda...wondering. :/ (I can see why her anime portrayal is such though. XP) (ALSO-in addition, I've seen several make the same statement, often degrading anime Angel's portrayal and saying her series portrayal was progressive...when in my opinion might not necessarily be the case, as just because something's a certain way doesn't automatically mean the opposite for something else.)

To Jowad:

I always try to look at things from the perspective of a casual viewer as opposed to a fan. (Often because I find the fan view to be very biased. For example-you probably wouldn't be as critical of a character such as Stitch if you were a fan. You CAN be, but you'll be biased because of your love for his character. I go through the same with my own favorite experiments and try to avoid it. (Hard for me to grasp that some people saw Heat as hot-headed. lol)) I think he brought up a LOT of good points about the movie such as the ultimately useless Pleakley and David subplot, the humor, and some of the inconsistencies. Overall he gave it a good review in my opinion and he was fair to it.
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 7 May 2017 15:46:14 MDT
So... I think I figured out exactly what went wrong with Lilo's character in the series; she lost her patience. Because in the first movie, she was very much this towards Stitch, but in the series, she doesn't seem to want to give certain experiments a chance if they somehow annoy her. Not to mention her simply leaving experiments who sided with Gantu (and thus would need more time to be reformed). Just something I realized when it came to Lilo being written badly. :/

To Stitchthebest36:

You're very welcome! :)

To Jowad:

I think the reason Animat's not too fond of Stitch Has A Glitch is because they pull the whole "love is stronger than death" thing on us (which is a bit of a cliche) and there's some pretty glaring inconsistencies like Lilo not noticing Stitch's blatant seizures and glowing green eyes while he was having them, along with Jumba not telling anyone besides Pleakley about what was going on. They're pretty big issues with the sequel, but I personally consider it solid for a Disney sequel (especially in terms of Stitch's character).

To Elastico's Foot:

To say nothing of Jumba's treatment of experiments like Ace who didn't act as how they were supposed to (i. e good/nice). And then there's the fact that he didn't even know what he was doing when he was reprogramming Felix. THEN there's also how some of the experiments act spoiled beyond belief while others almost seem desperate for any sort of attention.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Mon, 24 Apr 2017 19:18:53 MDT
(If these responses are coming late and look a bit weird, it's because most things "Lilo and Stitch" have been blocked from my router until my math grade goes up. Ironically I can only access during school time right now, so it backfired spectacularly. But anyways (and I'm typing from my phone too))

To Elastico's Foot:

It really makes one wonder how exactly Disney views the franchise if it just gets new iterations wherever Stitch is popular. It just comes off as it being viewed as a cash cow of sorts. And if this trend continues, it's going to get real boring real fast. I mean-I'm grateful we have a new iteration of Stitch, but I've already seen these messages before and don't care to have them repeated.

UPDATE: I think it's basically confirmed that Disney sees Stitch as a cash cow and disregards Lilo in the context of your newest post. -.-

I guess an ideal sequel would be either the series rewritten as the darker, more serious show it was originally going to be, a prequel, or a series/interquel with good arguments against the messages and that explores them further.

With what I'm doing with my own fic, its offering criticism of the "Ohana" message and it's done from the perspective of characters who wouldn't necessarily agree with such a message and who got the short end of the stick when it came to it. (Though from Heat's point of view due to most of the experiments having jaded views (him and Angel being the only main characters who actually believe in the message (Tickle-Tummy as well, but she's more a side character)).)

And I really hope that isn't the reason for them making Stitch have a destruction form. Not to mention it completely defeats the purpose of the four other six series who were designed to shoot lasers/plasma.

On another note, I just realized this about the series, but it awfully favored Lilo and Stitch's actions; throwing Nosy and Felix to Gantu and infecting him with Poxy for instance, among several other examples. In some cases, it's actually portrayed as FUNNY for them to do such things.

To Stitchthebest36:

I swear I mentally screeched at the "Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever" trope (I'm sorry it just...it gets on my nerves that Stitch has this random destruction mode.)

I would definitely agree; growing up doesn't mean leaving people behind or separating from them. You can have your own life without having to do such a thing-I mean, look at all the people who kept their childhood friends after growing up. UGH-I wish they did take those creative risks and actually developed their ideas, like experiments working for Gantu and Hamsterviel and other enemies and organizations such as E.G.O . But they didn't and it just looks very bland and formulaic.
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StarryBlast9

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Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:12:47 MDT
I suppose the reason I brought it up was because I feel an iteration with adult Lilo may be...fanservice in a sense. Or at least I'm a bit worried it may be such. I mean-it's what we as fans want and it's kind of esoteric (from my perspective-it just comes off as this "next generation" thing and I personally think things like that should be left to the fans to speculate). I don't know; maybe it's because I myself like things in the franchise that are basically niches where not many people like or even know about them, and I know stuff that I personally want probably wouldn't resonate well with everyone else.

Just spent some time today catching up on all the creature concepts in Harry Potter and Star Wars for a comparison, and then I realized we don't even know how the Galactic Federation WORKS, what exactly uburnium and kresonite are, or anything about Galaxy Defense Industries (Jumba's former job). This on top of you actually having to come up with motivations besides "science!" for your fic and...WOW. We really DON'T know much about the world in the Lilo and Stitch franchise.

Also... I found something that bothered me with Stitch in Stitch and Ai: his destruction mode. Just...WHAT? Laser arms and growing to Godzilla size aren't exactly needed with Stitch in my view. He was perfectly fine destroying cities the way he was. Again-WHAT.
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StarryBlast9

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Mon, 17 Apr 2017 02:18:41 MDT
To Elastico's Foot:

I suppose it all depends-which direction that's taken and where the story goes. Stuff like Tangled: Before Ever After and The Lion Guard also weren't expected or wanted, and yet they ended up fairly well received, so thanks for bringing that up (managed to forget about that reception for whatever reason).

I'm personally not happy about this issue. Me being an experiment fan and knowing that there's a lot of untouched potential within the original, it's a shame to see it go to waste so we could basically learn the same thing as we did with the original. And plus it just invalidates Stitch's development and Lilo's value as a character, not to mention leads to a completely scattered timeline and a ton of confusion (good luck with consistent canon I guess-wonder if it's going to hit SCP Foundation levels i.e NO canon).

In fact-tons of things weren't ever developed in the original; from the experiments to even those creatures that were used to create Stitch. They had an entire galaxy to work with and they did nothing with it. -.-
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 16 Apr 2017 00:00:54 MDT
To Elastico's Foot:

...Aaaannnddd especially the Marvel and DC franchises. In my opinion though, there's still a chance such a thing could happen (as in-would you REALLY want to see Lilo and Stitch's lives just continuing from Leroy and Stitch, or not? A few other Disney sequels went that route (with the cast's kids or the cast as adults) and failed. I do agree that they're not really exploring different aspects of the franchise with this new iteration (the experiments AGAIN, among other things). I know that Lion King was able to succeed with such a thing, but still...)

(The general public and target demographic would also play a part in whether such a sequel could be made and be successful. In our cases, we're fans, so we'd of course love to see adult Lilo and her daughter, but WOULD everyone else actually want said sequel)

And there's another issue this whole thing is creating: at this point, the franchise is literally just going to be a bunch of scattered AUs of Stitch crashlanding in different areas of the world. No development, no nothing. Just the same story and messages repeated over and over again.
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 15 Apr 2017 19:09:42 MDT
I'm somehow not really surprised that they'd want to continue in a different direction. I get what Craig's saying (and I myself expressed this too), if we were to just continue the story with adult Lilo, it runs the risk of eventually becoming bland (like what happened with the Ice Age and Land Before Time franchises).
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 15 Apr 2017 18:27:36 MDT
Well, aside from...ONE incident which I will NOT be going into, I'm actually really enjoying all the criticism leveled at Stitch and Ai. It's not crazy like it was over the anime, it's objective, which is what I like seeing. I hope the experiments show up...but it's probably going to be a stretch since I'm not even seeing Reuben (or really-any of them in flashbacks)
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:19:09 MDT
To Jowad:

Hoo boy, just watch it if you think you can get through it. Go slow if it irritates you (that was what I did with the anime, and it helped me to not go flying-off-the-handle crazy). I did say it was another retelling much like the anime is, so make of it what you will.

TBH, Lilo and Stitch always kind of DID have the whole Pokemon thing going on once they introduced the other experiments (heck-even I name some of my own Pokemon after experiments; Chandelure is always "Heat", Guzzlord's "Tank", etc.). Back to your point though, I can definitely see how it looks disappointing and like Stitch is getting the Ash Ketchum treatment in regards to female companions. One way to look at it though, would be to think of it as Stitch helping out other kids and applying what Lilo taught him. But again-that's me. Feel free to like or dislike it however you want. :P

To Stitchthebest36:

SAME ON THE NEW DESIGNS; I love how it went back to a Sanders-like design for the characters, and I like Ai and Jeijei (her older sister). There seems to be a sort of time skip; either it takes place after the anime or after the first movie in it's own separate AU; it doesn't really specify (though the first movie's referenced and shown in flashbacks). There's no English version sadly, but here's the site with the trailer:

https://icv2.com/print/article/37134

Don't really know why exactly they keep pairing Stitch up with girls, but hey-new Stitch stuff and the franchise is continuing. I'm really excited for this too! :)
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:34:27 MDT
To Jowad:

I think maybe try your phone, 'cause it's telling me I need Adobe Flash Player to watch it on my PC (it worked just fine on the phone).

I just discovered it early in the week and the original post stated that an English release isn't a good possibility. Disney hasn't mentioned the anime either, don't really understand why.

Also-this is being worked on by Tony Craig, who was involved in the original series and two of the movies. Interesting tidbit that I thought I'd share. :P
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 1 Apr 2017 20:28:10 MDT
Though TBH I thought it was a prank too,considering the time I found it was right around April First.

Then I found out it was real. Which was...VERY weird, to say the least. Personally I'm happy we have a new iteration out, but that's me and my opinion.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 20:22:24 MDT
To Jowad:

Uhh...it's not a prank. It's real. There's seven episodes out ATM.

http://big5.cntv.cn/gate/big5/tv.cctv.com/2017/03/28/VIDAQ9dbLxKaI953aCxzCMb7170328.shtml

o-o

If this were a prank the thing would've been unveiled today, but it was revealed a few days ago. Specifically 3/28 (or 3/29)
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:44:22 MDT
...Well, we have a new Stitch iteration.

It's another retelling focusing on Stitch crashlanding in the Huangshan mountains and befriending a girl named Ai. I watched a few episodes and it's really good; the action's pretty nice and it has some interesting new alien designs.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:02:47 MDT
Really sorry for the long silence; I've been busy with school and making up tests for most of the whole week.

To Elastico's Foot:

That or else boring; besides Sasha and Yuna's grandmother, none of them really added much character-wise. (I could also add Kijimuuna, but it's mostly because Kijimuunas are the most famous yokai of the Okinawas...so more for cultural representation.)

I think people eventually COULD get used to the presence of experiments, but even so...IDK, I guess I just tend to think of the Sample episode with the "alien hunters" when it comes to this. I agree that it completely messed up Angel's development since she only came around every few episodes because she was traveling.

I've noticed it's an issue with almost all the experiments shown in the anime; they almost always just make a few appearances throughout the seasons and don't get much development or serve as obstacles to Yuna and Stitch. Third season (of course) makes it even more annoying and just has them deactivated and chucked into the back of Jumba's lab after every episode. They mostly make appearances as plot devices and not much else (Toons only being activated to help Yuna out with a school project for example.) I've heard that the experiments are deactivated for their supposed "protection" in season three, but I really don't buy it considering ones like Kixx, Witch, Heat, Plasmoid, etc. who can clearly defend themselves. So it just looks like lazy writing to me.

To Stitchthebest36:

Like I said with Elastico's Foot, I'm reminded of people like those two "alien hunters" in the Sample episode. I'm sure people could get used to the experiments given enough time, but still-there's some seriously weird and paranoid people out there (which is probably a big reason why the experiments are mostly hidden). If that's the case with Winfield, then that's very bizarre; what exactly about Lilo's character makes her look like a abandoner or a hypocrite? Ugh, that's probably true too, like the staff felt they didn't have to try to develop the experiments since they only had 65 episodes to work with. On Snafu though, at this point, it's a huge part of the reason I'm developing the fanfic I am right now; to me it was flat-out insulting with how it handled those experiments being abandoned. I get it's a kid's show, I get they only had 65 episodes, but either they do a decent job with handling a writing idea like leaving experiments behind or not do it at all.

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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:18:38 MDT
To Elastico's Foot:

Don't even get me started on Tigerlily. Unneeded, horrific personality, no development, just an awful addition. Even die-hard fans will revile her and for good reason.

Correct me if I'm off, but I think they were captured for roughly two years and were freed when the experiment hunt was almost over. And that too-the concept of an experiment like Angel (or like Slushy, Heat, Hammerface, Thresher, Plasmoid, and 627) was actually really good and they would've made pretty decent antagonists, or even examples of experiments who rejected the Ohana message or who had criticism against it. But nope-throw them to the sidelines and just AVOID all that potential. Here's another issue with Angel being a famous singer; the experiments are supposed to be hidden and under government and GF protection. People WILL notice the weird pink singing creature and start asking questions about her (for space this would be better because everyone's already aware she's one of Jumba's experiments, but on Earth it would be really complicated for her to get a one true place like a famous singer without drawing attention.).

To add in to how Angel gets treated in the anime...I find her portrayal outright weird, because two of the other female experiments introduced in the anime, Witch and Stank, were actually very proactive, had their own, well fleshed out personalities, and not needing to be "saved" in any way (unless you want to count Witch needing to have her transmutations undone). (They're actually my favorite female experiments because of this BTW) Bonnie was also portrayed decently in the anime, along with Tickle-Tummy. Angel's portrayal...is IDK what to call it, a fluke? A mess? (Actually both I suppose.) It's pretty embarrassing either way.

To Stitchthebest36:

For some of my other favorites, Kixx (he was my first favorite; I thought he was cool), Hammerface (for his personality), Thresher and Plasmoid for their powers, and Hocker because of his ability and personality. On Snafu, I guess I just really disliked Lilo's attitude throughout the whole thing. For just one example, Lilo says to Nosy during his rant "I didn't just LET" regarding abandoning the experiments...right to the face of one of the very experiments she let Gantu take and send to Hamsterviel. Her running down the aisle of captured experiments and greeting them as how she did also rubbed me the wrong way. From my perspective, it's like she didn't understand the true danger she put those experiments in by abandoning them. Personally I don't think malnutrition's in Hamsterviel's interests (or muscle atrophy, which is why I'm having them be sent back a lot) but I do think that for the ones with the offensive abilities, they may have developed health issues or have been weakened (via Dupe's abilities or the constant transporting) or be torn between staying with Hamsterviel for revenge or breaking out. Personally I look at "Snafu" as an attempt at an excuse for Lilo and Stitch abandoning experiments. :/
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StarryBlast9

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Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:10:30 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Yep; that was one of many recycled plots in season three. It's like they had NO ideas whatsoever after only a few episodes and just decided to reuse the episode plots with the experiments instead of yokai or whatever plot device or lead in they had for the original. Season three was done by a different company (Shin-Ei Animations) which is sub-par in comparison to Madhouse. It's kind of why season three's so weird and "cutesy" (I don't know what else to call it) in comparison to the first two. Even many fans aren't impressed with it. You'll get some who love the Lilo episode or some other random one, but most avoid it like the plague. I actually ended up a bit partial to it because of the experiments, but even I tend to stick with the first two seasons due to how each season three episode deactivates and throws them away into that vault in Jumba's lab at the end.

To make it even better, Nosy and Fibber were on the ship at the end of their episodes. Also-they most likely WOULD be spending most of their time in the ship because they're going to need to eat, drink, move around, etc. It's to the point where I'm working it into my own fic where Hamsterviel gets an idea of the duo's schedule and sends the experiments back when Lilo's in school and the later hours of the night. And that's another thing-plenty of those experiments have offensive abilities (Nosy's even said to be a brilliant escape artist) and then there's Hunkahunka and Amnesio, who could've easily used their powers on Gantu and broken out. WHY they somehow needed Lilo and Stitch to break them out is beyond me. Especially with how Angel was able to do so.
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StarryBlast9

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Wed, 8 Mar 2017 23:52:36 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

My fave's Heat (from the later part of my username and the "9"). I loved how he wasn't at all like the other fire or energy based experiments; he wasn't hyper or bad tempered and seemed a lot more conservative with his powers. He seemed a lot less evil and more observant than most other six-series, and I liked the idea of a calm fire/energy character.

To add to "Reuben 2.0"...I think Angel was actually going to marry Reuben because of that dress. With "Experiment-a-Palooza" I think it should've stopped with Retro using his powers on Stitch (also not exactly sure how that works). And I agree with what you're saying about "Stitch Becomes Peter Pan", especially since they already established that magic exists in the anime's lore. It makes no sense as to why they'd modernize something like Neverland. Maybe a TRON or Treasure Planet themed place would've worked better than Neverland.

Here's a few of mine:

"Hamjock Vielvonster": For the plot and how tedious it is. It also wasted Deforestator (though maybe that was a good thing looking back. Also tying into the whole "weird outfits" thing-well, I don't think I need to explain anything where Deforestator's concerned.).

"The Petite Queen": I really don't like the "rival girls competition" plot. Never have, never will. The plot's just mediocre at best and contrived at worst, with Thresher's appearance literally being the only good part of it.

"Swapper 2.0": I feel forced to like this episode; it's plot is bad, Stitch has a beyond bizarre love of being a human and spends all his time in Takumi's (I'm NOT referring to him by his English dub name) body instead of trying to find Swapper and get himself switched back (and vice versa with Takumi). And then there's Heat, who's referred to as SPLODYHEAD and has the most uneventful and stupid fight scene in the anime's history.

"Stitch's Birthday": HATE. HHHAAAATTTEEEE. "Stitch Has A Glitch" brought me to tears and is one of my personal favorites as a sequel. This episode takes what was beautifully represented in that movie and spits on it, paints Yuna and Stitch's friendship to be the exact same as Lilo and Stitch's, and even has beyond stupid methods of creating experiments (energy from planets colliding. To clarify, said energy is the equivalent to that of trillions of nuclear explosions, which would most likely destroy an experiment than create it). In my opinion, this is the anime's worst.

"Chocolate Stitch": Weird. And kind of disturbing.

"Hunkahunka" was pretty bad, with Lilo just shirking her responsibilities of finding Hunkahunka a home for hanging out with a brainwashed Keoni. Honestly, her behavior in that ep's just terrible. Personal worst series one for me would be "Snafu"; me being partial to the captured experiments, this didn't sit well with me, especially with how the two years of insanity those experiments had to put up with was tossed out the window and twisted to Lilo and Stitch's favor. No genuine apology from either Lilo or Stitch, the experiments acting completely unlike how they actually would from said experience (and it's even more stupid since the writers made their bed with this idea of abandoning them), and the two not AT ALL appearing serious about the rescue (and in Stitch's case, doing it mostly for Angel). And to add to this, plenty of other experiments could've broken out besides Angel; if she can get out via headbutt, then WHAT was up with Hammerface? Or Tank and Thresher? It makes no sense, and to me, is just a really underwhelming finale episode.
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StarryBlast9

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Tue, 7 Mar 2017 17:12:06 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Personally I think maybe Jim Hawkins and Scroop from Treasure Planet or Milo and Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire would be some nice additions (and as characters Stitch meets). My own two cents though. :P

To...the entire forum I guess:

Alright, to maybe introduce some new talking points, here's a few:

Favorite experiments and why they're your faves?

For the anime, it being listed on Pan-Pizza's "Top Ten Weird Foreign Cartoon Remakes" and thoughts on that. (Also maybe dumbest Zutto/season three anime eps?)

Thoughts on the Ohana message in the franchise?


On a personal note though-I'm doing a list of the Top Ten worst series episodes, and I was wondering if I could know your personal worst ones (which episodes you had issues with, didn't hold up, etc.).
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StarryBlast9

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Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:27:23 MST
To Jowad:

Fixed the link and promoted the DVD petition; sorry about that. :/
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 5 Feb 2017 12:18:55 MST
To Jowad:

Sure; I also have a Tumblr, so I'll promote it on there as well.
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 4 Feb 2017 15:15:47 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Personally, I like all of those ideas, especially the ones with Sparky and Felix. Its a nice contrast too between the lab and Kauai-like Spooky learning dream invasion and then using it later to help Lilo.
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Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:17:06 MST
To Stitchthebest36 and Jowad:

Signed it (with the real first name if that's alright).
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Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:59:28 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Experiment voices in general tend to have this odd warped quality to them. Its the same across the board in the anime-you could tell its not the original person voicing them. Even with experiments who got voices in the anime, it sounded off; Travis Willingham being the best example with Thresher's voice.

So I looked up DHMIS (as I'm not familiar with it), and uh..whoa. Good show and concept to base your work off of (DHMIS sounds like something I should take a look at too.).

I've seen some seriously stupid stuff over the years with Heat (and Kixx to a lesser extent). Not saying everything, but I can give an example where him and Kixx were turned evil, then turned good for five minutes, then turned evil again by an OC. I've basically become like the dodo in Alice in Wonderland ("Well...there goes Bill.").

Is she still going to be manipulative? Because she had to be in the anime since she needed attention and praise to become stronger. (Or maybe it comes from Jumba or other 0-series?) She obviously does have her nasty attitude, but personally I'm not sure about having her be terrible to EVERYONE around her. Because once everyone knows she's awful in the anime, she gets weaker and starts powering down.

That actually sounds more IN character for Hamsterviel-In Leroy and Stitch, he just chose Leroy's name randomly after going through a bunch of other (already taken) names.
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Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:11:21 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Yeah...I knew him as Numbah One in Codename: Kids Next Door and he was very good in there as well. I think its because Stitch's voice is kind of weird and nasally-hard to replicate. Either way he's trying way too hard.

(Well, Charlotte was pretty much the first character that came to mind with anime Stitch's personality. Charlotte manages to hold off on being too annoying though.) Well...there's one thing the anime could inspire; I like the idea and the main character sounds interesting.

Its more the general idea of just randomly doing that with a character you have no use for or don't like. But the scene itself...no. I will say that I did get to witness that sort of thing happening a lot with my favorite experiments-often because the author either didn't like them or wanted a easy way to make an OC look powerful. Even with the latest one to have them, the experience was pretty much "Oh cool; Heat's in the fic...and he's done for."(It was especially common in Reuben fics, surprise surprise.)

Yeah-its limited on here. She sounds pretty ruthless though, if you can't say just WHAT she does in the fic because of that.

Hmm, didn't you make Skip insane? I remember reading that he was because he could see both the past and future in the story. I blanked on Leroy though. :/
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Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:32:39 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Ben Diskin being rather tone deaf doesn't help things either, like he's trying so hard to mimic Chris Sanders' Stitch voice that he's not putting effort into anything else.

THAT ONE. Yep-I wouldn't even call it wasted, I'd straight up call it butchered. Compare that insensitive quote from Stitch in that episode to what he does in say-Lilo and Stitch 2: Stitch Has A Glitch to encourage and comfort Lilo with the hula competition. He's like Charlotte in "Making Fiends", only Charlotte actually worked as a character (she had better delivery with her chipper attitude and she had more than ONE emotion). Stitch doesn't; he's not supposed to be so weirdly happy and oblivious all the time.

...Is it wrong that I actually laughed at that a bit? (My opinion on Pleakley's a little similar-outside of being Jumba's friend, he doesn't have much use besides comic relief; he's entertaining but still.)

Agreed-the experiments were something that the anime was able to do well on (with the exception of two-don't know what's up with Hertz Donut's design, and Lorider was WAY too much of a reference to Perry the Platypus). Twang especially was interesting because of the concept of his power (its a he from what I can tell) and his personality. Its like you said-he's a character who's supposed to make you hate him and they played it off well. His power to grow in size and strength in proportion to how much attention he gets was very interesting, and that final form looked really cool (it was a shame we didn't get to see it in action). Huh; sounds like a pretty interesting addition to your fic. Knowing Twang's character, I'm sure she'll (in this case) fit right in with the role you've given her.

For me the ones that really stood out were Twang (for similar reasons), Stank, and Witch. Stnak and Witch especially because they were more unconventional in comparison to the female experiments in the original series in my opinion. Cyber and Dorkifier were pretty neat as well. Aside from Hertz Donut and Lorider (personal opinion), most experiments in the anime were pretty solid.
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Sun, 8 Jan 2017 23:38:28 MST
So...thoughts on the experiments introduced in the anime? Personally I think most had nice designs and powers, but then there were ones like Poki and Pop, which were a little...weird to say the least. Witch, Cyber, Twang, and Stank were neat though in my opinion.
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Sun, 8 Jan 2017 23:02:22 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

I like the choices there; especially since they're the major characters in your fic. Its good to go off of the characters you're most familiar with when it comes to fanfics. (On my side, I'm basing my fic around Heat, Hammerface, Thresher, and Plasmoid because they're the experiments I personally know the most about. Though the research into energy transfer with Heat's annoying.)

I should also mention original Stitch was far more sensitive as well; the anime just seems to brush off most things when they would've bothered him or have been of concern to him in the original. (Shows the most when he tries comforting Yuna in one episode.)

I was thinking the same thing. Not to mention he calls Gantu's college friends to come over for his birthday in Frenchfry for a series example.

...All the more reason to get driving ASAP.
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Sun, 8 Jan 2017 22:45:09 MST
To Stitchthebest36:

That's good; its the same here-they made me feel like throwing up, still better than a ton of pain though. I'm really glad you made a full recovery.

I think its really cool! It actually inspired me a bit to do my own writing on my disorder. :) (And your welcome on the Tumblr like in fact, thank you so much for reblogging my artwork!)

On the anime, I agree; I can tell it was trying to continue with the Ohana message, but it really couldn't hide the fact that it was all about Stitch well, especially by regressing him the way they did. I could see Stitch going on a rampage due to a lack of food as well; maybe that added to his tantrum in space or something. I'm glad you agree! (I actually have a clay Hammerface I made years back; its still in pretty good shape even now.) I wish they would release Tsum versions of the experiments as well-though I think they would have trouble with the stranger looking ones like Yin and Thresher.

They were worried because I have hard classes with a large workload (in terms of studying). They just made me take off my name and birthdate.
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Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:34:47 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Same here; I like to keep requests and suggestions in mind, but I have a really sideways view of most things and come up with the majority of ideas myself. I like the idea of a bunch of short stories about the experiments, but still-your call on what you want to do.

That's another good point; Stitch's character is very jarring in the anime. You'd think that there'd be some development, but its like he went backwards as a character (they try to write it off as him regressing to being bad again, but its still not a good excuse). Original Stitch at least stopped to think about his actions and cared a lot about his Ohana even when he was evil. Here he's WAY too hyper and impulsive-whether it was taking off in the Lilo episode or even thinking EVERYTHING ON EARTH was food in the first episode (despite having been on Earth for years)...they backtracked with him, and not in a good way. Ironic that there's an episode where Retro uses his abilities on Stitch when the people behind the anime already reduced him to a couple of his most basic character traits.

Sadly no reboot's going to do anything when it comes to this. And its weird too-its like they felt they HAD to have a character to put in place of Lilo when it was clear they just wanted Stitch.

I really like the Scrump idea! (And especially from Reuben too, since he usually gets seen as lazy.) Personally I'd think maybe the Scrump versions of Stitch and Lilo or them, Nani, and the other experiments (Reuben is lazy, but he can work really fast and well when he puts his mind to it, and there has been plenty of times where he's gone out of his way for people.)

Its a bit annoying, but it is needed. (I live a fair distance from pretty much everything in my town-to the point where its next to a bunch of nature trails. :/)
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Sat, 7 Jan 2017 12:21:13 MST
To Stitchthebest36:

Sorry for the uber late responses, I had school and driver's ed (I'm studying for the permit test).

That surgery sounds really painful; I hope you were able to make a good recovery from it.

Thank you so much for the link to the website; it was really interesting to read up on (I also have a mild version of my own disorder, so it was really nice to see.). I think its really great that you do all that! I really don't get why they didn't develop Yuna more; they went and put her character in place of Lilo, they could afford to do so.

Thank you very much! I'm glad you like the idea of ClipxHammerface and Heat's characterization. I agree with you with the plasma blasts; the green ones look similar to those shot from plasma guns while the red ones are more explosive. I think Plasmoid does heat them up in his tail; if you look at his clones, they can't do so and the blasts just solidify when they shoot them. To me it was WAY too much of a change in Plasmoid's abilities to ignore, so I want to come up with an explanation for how it happened. I think they could've actually been sent back from time to time and kept in that secret compartment like they were in Snafu. I'm with you-I don't think Hamsterviel would want to risk feeding the experiments himself since a lot of them are dangerous and his cover could be blown, although the idea of a food hatch in the containers does sound plausible.

Well...my parents found my dA account. While they're not happy with the amount of time I put into it, they ARE very impressed with my writing (even my usually huge critic dad was impressed).
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Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:57:42 MST
To Jowad:

Going off of your idea of merchandise for the experiments, what do you think of Scrump versions of the characters and experiments? This is a big issue sadly-I've even tried taking up crochet just to make the experiments, but I had no time at the end of the day. Most I can manage is drawings (though I'm not sure how the stranger looking ones like Heat or Thresher would look as plushes, LOL). Plasmoid and Poxy dolls/plushies would be adorable though (in my opinion).
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Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:31:22 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

If I could offer my opinion on this...just do what you want with it; I've seen a lot of your work, so I'm interested to see what you could come up with. :)

Personally, that's how I'm most comfortable with seeing the anime. Its easier to swallow the idea of it if its happening in an alternate canon. I know they're probably going to spread out eventually (that tends to happen with families often) but not in the way they did in the anime. Not to mention I REALLY hated seeing the Experiments evil again, especially in season 3 with the alterations. It just took away from them as characters, and it goes back to one of the problems, which was that it was all Stitch and...not much else. I don't see why they could've just made their anime COMPLETELY about Stitch since they love him but don't care for Lilo. I'm with you on Yuna being unneeded in the franchise (I see her as decent, but not very compelling or developed). Personally, I think she could've potentially been good as a MINOR character in a sequel because of how the anime treated her though.

But that also goes into this: the anime has the wrong direction (for lack of better words). It has the wrong focus, which is solely Stitch and comedy. There's not a good balance between those sentimental and serious moments needed to flesh out character and the comedy and snark. And since they had Yuna and all these new characters, they pretty much made them obsolete since they just wanted to focus on Stitch and Disney and what have you. Heck, I made a fanart once of Stitch comforting Hammerface after the Link-Age episode (since he was stolen and turned evil in said episode). Where were moments like that in the anime? Apparently nowhere to be found. Not to say that these things don't EVER happen, but they're ridiculously rare when they shouldn't be.

Even the series had better balance; the Dupe episode for example, had things like Reuben's snark, him being in a butler outfit, the Pleakley clones, etc. It also had Gantu going through some of his personal issues with his dad and Lilo's dejection over getting treated so badly by Myrtle. It had that balance, it wasn't all comedy. (Other examples include Remmy, Elastico, PJ, Yin and Yang, Angel, Splodyhead, and many more.)

(This is a late return here because of school/drvier's ed)
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Tue, 27 Dec 2016 22:11:17 MST
To Stitchthebest36:

I just don't know why; it could be because of that, but wouldn't it be a good message to show people just cutting those types out of their lives and moving on? It doesn't make any sense.

That surgery sounds really major; I'm happy that you got through it though. I have to go in at least twice a year (though currently its quarterly because we had a scare last year), so they often do that with me when I'm cold (apparently my veins shrink even more).

I like the scene; it shows a nice amount of character from both Yuna and Lilo, especially with Yuna's line at the end. See-that was what I wish the anime did with Yuna. Going into how she's affected by her problems like her mother's death and not getting to know her would've made her more relatable and flesh her out as a character. It may have even alleviated some of the hate towards her or made it so that she's not such a far cry from Lilo. Because let's face it-its sad. I agree with Elastico's Foot that its like taking away a plate of really amazing food and putting a piece of stale bread in its place. I could relate to Lilo when I was little-not personality-wise, but we both LOVED monsters and the supernatural and didn't have many friends. With Yuna there's this feeling that I WANT to connect with her (and in some ways I can) but she's just not developed enough as a character for a lot of people to properly relate to.


Thank you; I'm glad you like the idea! ...Somehow I don't think they were. In fact, something tells me they lived on sandwiches or whatever those weird drumsticks are that Jumba baited Stitch with in the first movie (those green ones with the purple spots). I'm currently in the middle of writing their characters and that's something I'm trying to do, especially with Plasmoid (I'm giving a reason as to why he's shooting green plasma in Snafu and Leroy and Stitch instead of his usual red blasts. I noticed the red ones were charged in his tail while the green ones weren't, and something tells me Jumba had it so that they did so for a reason.). Heat I'm making soft-hearted/naive (to where he gets in trouble) and easily disappointed (and those are just some of the flaws). I'm also giving them specific interests (like which specific genre of music they like and which instruments for example). Even with Hammerface, I'm pairing him with Clip and giving him a backstory in the lab. (I have to thank you and Elastico's Foot for offering encouragement; I'd been on and off about making it because I thought it'd look weird.)
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Sun, 25 Dec 2016 20:13:20 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

...I think you have it there; I can just imagine the looks on the staff's faces when they were preparing the dub. Confidence probably evaporated the minute they had to include the "Lilo abandoned Stitch for a boyfriend" explanation.

I'm with Stitchthebest36 on this too. I don't really understand why it happens in kids media; its like they think that bullies (or abusers in that family member's case) can be won over with kindness...and they can't. If anything it makes them even more aggressive because they either know they can take advantage or they'll want to find other ways to get at you.

That's a good point you brought up about there being too many factors for her optimism to be believable or meaningful. Personally I blame the direction the anime decided to take; making it more about comedy and Stitch instead of having enough sentimental moments to get people to relate to the characters. Another problem for Yuna is that her mom's dead from a typhoon and she has no memories of her; you'd think they'd do more than a couple episodes going into that, but they barely explore it and it looks phoned in as a result. I'll give an example where this is done well; Steven in Steven Universe's mother, Rose Quartz, is also dead (pretty much) and he has no memories of her either, but there's a lot of episodes that go into that and how it affects him and the people around him. We don't really get to see that with Yuna or her dad (since he's rarely there) or grandma.

I suppose I was thinking of my own situation; I'd actually get confused in the past when people would react to me telling them about some of what happened. From my perspective, I got through it, so therefore it wasn't a big deal no matter how major it was. The way I've always looked at it is that it could be worse (its genetic, but I got the more mild version), so I've remained optimistic about my situation.

I'm really glad you like the concept! And I agree; their biology was never really something that was explored, so I'm personally interested to do so with this. (I actually just started writing up character profiles for them!)
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Sun, 25 Dec 2016 00:30:23 MST
To Stitchthebest36:

No worries, Merry Christmas BTW!

I used to view that fanartist's work as well; she's very talented and to see that happen really shook me personally. I've heard about that incident too; its really frightening how far some people can take it over cartoons and media. So I feel like calling out such behavior is needed-when it happens of course.

But after hearing your input on this though, I think I'll take a break for the time being, because lately its been a bit stressful, not to mention school's been hard lately (I'm in a ton of AP classes).

Agh, so we both have small veins. Have you ever had them put a heating pad on to warm them up? It feels really weird since its a gel inside the pack.

Really? That's really great to hear!

Showing people I liked him was always like the scene where Lilo shows Scrump to Myrtle and her group and they call her weird for it (ironically it made me relate to Lilo a lot). That's very true; I remember once reading a short fanfic about Deforestator in his one true place, and it always stuck with me.

Its funny you should ask that actually, because I am planning to have him be physically affected by the cloning incident and time in Hamsterviel's cell. Thank you for letting me know I can come to you for advice on this! I think it could be the case with Yuna; she could be very used to her situation or else looks to the bright side of things and doesn't allow it to bother her. For a personal example, I had a surgery to close up a hole in my eardrum and I was actually jumping up and down while I was being prepared for it. Not that I didn't know what was going on, but I wasn't afraid because I already spent a lot of time at the doctor (and I knew I was going to be able to swim without earplugs).
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Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:04:32 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

They really do, and even though it was mostly about the culture of the Ryukyuan islands, they still had some references to traditional culture like Stitch's newfound love of sushi and Reuben liking rice balls. It got even more obvious in the third season with their samurai episode (feature Kixx in a samurai outfit and everything). And y'know, I'm half; I could understand the appeal, particularly for Ryukyuan culture (it barely gets represented). This wasn't the best way to go about it though. Are you sure that it was taken off for bad ratings alone? Because from what I hear it aired on weekdays when everyone who would normally watch it was in school and work. I'm sure people disliking it was a factor since the dub was already on Youtube (I think), but I think there may have been a few other reasons as well.

I agree on what you said about Yuna just tolerating and allowing her bullies to stick around. My family tried a similar method and not only did it not work, it blew up in their face and actually ended in a legal battle. The only way to really get rid of the person (they were an estranged family member who my family gave a second chance) was to just cut them out completely.

I actually have something to ask here; Yuna doesn't act like her personal situation's a problem for her, which is a complaint a lot of people have against her. Do you think that the reason Yuna may not act like her problems are that big a deal is because she herself may not view them as such? Because I can say I've viewed my own situation as not being bad in comparison to others despite some of the worse things that have happened because of it. Perspectives vary, so I'm just curious.

(I really feel like I have to thank you again for your advice on this; I don't feel like I need to go against the people who hate the anime anymore and I actually went and created a character profile for a fanfiction idea I have.)
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Thu, 22 Dec 2016 16:13:54 MST
To Stitchthebest36:

I feel like I should explain where my attitude comes from; I was in the Steven Universe fandom, and they had an attempted suicide incident. A fanartist was bullied so much that she tried to take her own life and ended up in the hospital. Its because of that that I have my perspective that people can't just do whatever they want; I got to witness the very worst thing that could happen in a fandom, so I've been a bit more on edge ever since. I know I can't change people, they have to do it themselves. Heck-even I only did so through some chance events in my life and spending time looking at the anime. And you're completely right-I shouldn't be looking at it as an obligation, but lately its gotten to that point and it feels bad. Its weird-usually they just draw it from the elbow, but I went on Friday and there was a new person there. My veins are tiny and thin so he kept messing up and eventually they had to draw it from the forearm, which HURT; I cried for the first time in years of getting it drawn. Hence the sausage bruise and eventual redraw because the order was too vague. X( That lesson's been a hard one for me; I'm a bit shy with what I like due to it being off the beaten path and getting made fun of and called weird for it in the past, so I would often rely on other portrayals...which were bad to say the least and sometimes really bizarre. So I'm trying to stop doing that, but its a bit of long road.

(Also, thank you for the watch on DA!)
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Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:47:16 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

I second what Stitchthebest36 said; that's one of-if not the best-analyses of Yuna's character (and why it doesn't work) I've seen! I like all the points you brought up, especially when it comes to the experiments and her karate abilities (which I had to actually do extensive research on, which I really shouldn't need to do to properly understand it). That was something that always did annoy me somewhat; even 0-series and noncombative experiments would wipe the floor with a human, especially a ten year old. It crossed the line when she beat KIXX of all experiments with one kick to the face (which doesn't work at all due to his design-and he held his own against STITCH for crying out loud). Heck, even Mr. Stenchy's very strong despite being designed to be cute and cuddly.

This thing with Yuna's character also comes back to the fact that its mostly about Stitch over there, so the staff may have actually neglected her character somewhat so they could just focus on how awesome Stitch and the experiments were. There's plenty more fight scenes with Stitch and the experiments and even Hasagawa's cats get appearances (especially in the third season). If they wanted to just focus on Stitch, then there's no harm in doing just that. But to outright use another character in place of Lilo just looks like unoriginal retreading. And with Lilo's character being what it is in comparison to Yuna's, that was a very bad move to make.

Thank you so much for your advice on this. It started out almost fun in a sense, but then I ran out of things to say and then things just went downhill from there. I've tried moving on from it, but its really hard because I tend to look to the negative side of things (its a bad habit that I'm also trying to break, and I'm in an environment that encourages it).

I've mentioned before that Heat's my favorite (him, Hammerface, and Kixx more specifically), but he's obviously not a very popular or liked character in here. I have fanfiction and art ideas, but I always felt it would be weird for me to focus on them a lot or do fanfics revolving around them. I guess I should just start focusing on them more often then (and also Steven Universe-should start getting back into it completely (I was one of those who left after an attempted suicide through bullying happened in the fandom)). Again though, thank you very much for your advice on this.
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Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:35:21 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

It went fine (Aside from having to get blood drawn again because mom happened to botch the order. Sausage shaped bruise now yellow and purple.)

I have problems with weird things they do like the "True Stitch fan" thing and Yuna/Stitch hints, along with randomly taking shots at fans where it isn't appropriate. I find it highly distasteful of them. I don't have a problem with their opinions hating the ANIME however- they have a right to and I understand that. But I have to ask here; what about opinions like "Yuna has the hots for Stitch"? Opinions that clearly aren't very rational, or fallacious/ill-informed? Shouldn't those at least be debated? Also, I'd love to hear your explanation for how Yuna's a bad character actually.

ALL THE STITCH-LIKE OCS WILL BE THE DEATH OF ME. Even with that advantage over Sonic OCs, they're still annoying, and I've even read some fics where they outright replace canon experiments too. And I agree; most experiments are so underdeveloped and the whole yokai thing really wasn't the best way to introduce the culture in the anime (they could've just had references); plus it took away from the experiment's characters again. I mean, just look at both our favorites-there's potential, but Elastico's just turning people into animals for one ep in the third season of the anime and Heat's getting owned by anime high school stereotype *insert random PIN number here*. -.-

...That IS the reason they exist to begin with; they don't like what they see and its understandable as to why. I hated it as well for five years (also, so you know, you were the person who first introduced me to the anime...and to hating it back in the day. I thought you were funny). I realize that quality's what matters, not continuity, and who knows, maybe it won't be so bad and maybe they'll be better with it than the first time with the anime. It has been six years after all. (I just remember the first reaction is all. :P) And I agree that they'll eventually mellow out with the gloating (they can't go on forever obviously). Also-I'd like you to know that you calmed the fears down when it comes to a separate reboot, so thanks on that. :)

But on me trying to control something that's too big? I know that actually-very well. I actually feel very alone and in some cases I feel like I'm either just an outlet or unneeded (or sometimes even obligated to do so). Is there any way that I can get away from this? Do you suggest anything? Because I don't really want to continue doing this and I don't think its good for me. I mean you just taking that and making me acknowledge it actually made me cry a bit. (embarrassing but yeah) I've tried bringing it up on dA but no one seems to want to talk to me about it. So is there anything you'd maybe suggest?
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Wed, 21 Dec 2016 01:16:52 MST
To Stitchthebest36 (and Elastico's Foot):

OH SHOOT, I'm really sorry for that typo-that visit was for me (I have a rare anemia plus thyroid issues and had to go in again...still have a sausage shaped bruise on my forearm but heh).

To Elastico's Foot (again :P):

Okay, I think going back to that response of yours...lemme just counter here:

Personally, I'm a bit annoyed by you brushing off the hatedom's problems. You kinda just shoving that entire thing off to the side like that really didn't look good to me, like you're ignoring that the group's done some pretty heinous stuff over the years. (Which I've been countering on dA for almost a year now, I'm sorry, but it ain't normal and it has to be done.)

But let's go into the whole writing thing you brought up; yeah, you're very right that whichever move people make is going to cause problems. Example-series haters and people who don't want to consider the series canon for some reason or another, and people who just consider Stitch Has A Glitch to be the actual sequel while ignoring everything else.

But say there was a hypothetical reboot/new series that either confirmed or disproved the anime as being connected with the original. Yes-in such a case (or cases) both sides would start gloating. The difference is how much, and if you look at the history, its really not good for the anime's hatedom; more aggressive, more loud, having more instances of general...problems. Thus them actually having more of a chance than the fandom to be jerks over it. IDK, maybe they changed, but I'm more paranoid when it comes to them. And yeah-the fandom would do it too, but said fallout would be smaller.

My point is that this could be avoided somewhat if it was left ambiguous. It may confuse some or cause another divide, but it would probably curb some of the infighting in the community and possibly do the opposite, leading to theories instead.

Also, take Stitch Has A Glitch. That's an example of what I'm referring to; no mention of the experiments at all save bonus features on the DVD (which probably wouldn't even count). There's a few continuity problems, but since its been left open-ended, there was less fighting and more speculation and debate on where it takes place in the timeline and the changes made in the time between it and the series.

But I suppose I should add in something here-I'm pretty much the only person criticizing the fanbase and what goes on in it. The Lilo and Stitch fanbase has the bad problem of not being able to criticize itself, so you have things like endless glorification of Lilo, inaccurate views on Yuna and the culture in the anime, out of control OCs, etc. And of course the big problem of more toxic members being allowed to continue what they're doing. I suppose maybe I'd have more faith in this if there was more criticism within the fanbase towards itself and its members, but we haven't even had any for simple fanon OCS!

And also, on a more personal note, I feel a bit like I'm the one who has to do everything when it comes to criticism and the fanbase. Sometimes its fun-got to once draw a pic of Heat (my favorite experiment-has three eyes and all) vs. how the fans would probably envision him at one point, but still...this is a problem, and its not good that I'm the only person doing this. More of us should be doing this. Why aren't we. I'm only in high school. Why.

But nevertheless though, I suppose we should just agree to disagree here; I think the best course of action would be to just leave it ambiguous, you think (correct me if I'm off) that it essentially doesn't matter what happens. And I could see why you'd think that. But for me personally, from my own experience I think the magnitude of the hatedom's reaction would be much larger because of the size and how loud some of them are. Though that's not to say that the fandom wouldn't do it either because they do have a few people like that and both sides seem to have a bit of a superiority thing going on.

Eeehhh...guess we'll just have to wait and see though.
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:42:28 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Well, take your time on it. ^^ I'll be out tomorrow for a hospital visit so (apologies in advance) my own reply may be late. :/


(Also my personal stance is neutral, not fan; thought to explain it because you seemed to assume that I was.)
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:12:31 MST
To Jowad:

And this isn't you-I'm sorry if it came off that way, its really them and how they're going to behave over it. They've done this sort of thing before, and I'm personally afraid of the behavior in reaction to an explicitly separate series. (Stuff like-"LOL ITS NONCANON NOW HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT ANIMU FANZ???!!!", which I can guarantee you-will unfortunately happen on some level; HOW BIG is another topic.)

But again though-keep it as is if you want to! I just have my own weird little interpretation of the wording I guess. :P
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:41:05 MST
To Jowad:

Its okay to consider it noncanon; you have your reasons for disliking it and that's cool. And again, this isn't about whether I like the anime (and personally I'm neutral when it comes down to it). I'm simply concerned about how people are going to get treated with the prospect of a separate series.

Take it from a former member of the hatedom, they can be VERY nasty to people who like it. They've attacked art from the fans, they've tried to say that they're above fans, (and when it comes to the anime itself) they've even tried to spread rumors about racism and pedophilia and all sorts of crazy stuff going on in there (including it being officially noncanon/Sanders confirming it noncanon, which I've had to constantly disprove-in reality its in the same limbo as the rest of the sequels). Its because of that that I don't trust them on this. Its sad that I have to, but after six years of both being in their group and seeing wwwaaaayyyy too much, I unfortunately have to be paranoid on this.

And if I could counter here-a lot of anime fans are series fans (or fans of the general franchise) as well. Some are fans for the experiments in the anime, and it just appeals to others.

But anyways though-you can ignore me if you want; I'm a grouchy ol'fart of a former hater with a weird love of Heat from the series as is. <:P If you want to keep the petition the way it is, then that's perfectly fine! I just have some concerns with it and the way its worded. (Not to mention it also comes to interpretation too-I could interpret it one way, while others could interpret it another way.)

BTW-I'm very sorry, I didn't realize it was yours the first time around and if I had, I wouldn't have been so antagonistic when it came to it. I sincerely apologize for my mistake. :(
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StarryBlast9

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Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:25:13 MST
Elastico's Foot,

I was originally PART of the hatedom surrounding the anime, and unfortunately six whole years spent with your hatedom has left me with an extremely low opinion of your group as a whole, which is as about as far as I'll go on here, considering the rules (unfortunately I can't without swearing). I wasn't suggesting censoring an opinion, I was suggesting we think about the fans too. Because I KNOW what a lot of people in the hatedom are going to start doing with it. They've done it before, and they'll do it again. This is my concern considering that your hatedom-frankly-is not mature and can't be trusted to be normal with this.

He can keep it that way if he likes and he can ignore me (which he has and more power to him, and I didn't know it belonged to him, so for that I apologize and my mistake), but I can state my opinion too (and I'm laughing at the censoring claim from you) and my opinion is that I think it doesn't think about the fans of the anime. I simply stated my issues and suggested changing it. That's it.

Wanna know my opinion broken down? I'm worried about the fallout an explicitly separate series is going to cause towards those who like the anime. As in, getting attacked. Getting it rubbed in their face that its not canon (i. e gloating). More justification to rip them. This has NOTHING to do with my opinion towards the anime, in case you were wondering.
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:11:23 MST
I think maybe get rid of the anime mentions and just say that the fans want to see more of the franchise in general. Since its set after Leroy and Stitch, the anime mentions are a bit unnecessary and even with the whole "not suggesting its bad" bit, it still kind of does because it says fans want it closer to the original, like its at least not good to them. I think getting rid of said mentions would keep it open to different interpretations as to what happens next.

I'm really sorry if I came off harsh or overreactive or anything, but I think its a bad idea to imply/say that its separate from the anime.
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:36:19 MST
I read the petition, and I feel like I have to say my thoughts on it. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I don't support it at all for a number of reasons.

I don't believe in fanservice, and that includes a "Separate" reboot from the anime. Just because its popular opinion that it should be doesn't mean its going to be good for anyone involved. Trust me-I love me some fanservice (don't get it often since my favorite characters aren't popular, but anyway), but at the same time we need to think about everyone in here, not just certain segments of the fandom, majority or not.

This is only going to be in the favor of people who don't like the anime, and (if you know my stance on a large portion of them already) I'm concerned that they're going to start pushing it as the actual sequel and use it as further justification to hate the anime and more ammunition for the "noncanon/Sanders interview" rumors.

Is there any way that we can change this so that its in everyone's best interests? Maybe just keep it ambiguous like the rest of the sequels? That way people who don't like the anime can consider it the actual sequel and people who do can still enjoy it and connect it with the anime if they want. I just really, REALLY don't believe in appealing to just one group and not thinking about everyone in here-I think its insensitive and unfair and that's unfortunately just what this looks like to me.
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