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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 15 Apr 2017 18:27:36 MDT
Well, aside from...ONE incident which I will NOT be going into, I'm actually really enjoying all the criticism leveled at Stitch and Ai. It's not crazy like it was over the anime, it's objective, which is what I like seeing. I hope the experiments show up...but it's probably going to be a stretch since I'm not even seeing Reuben (or really-any of them in flashbacks)
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Wayne
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Posts: 355
Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:06:18 MDT
New Save Lilo & Stitch Weekend Bash dates have been added for April-May 2017. Details as usual available at SaveLS.com and SaveOurStitch.org. Mahalo as always for making sure our ohana is not left behind, or forgotten! :-)
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Sam Cook

Posts: 313
Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:15:55 MDT
I saw some episodes from Stitch and Ai.
Ai was so spunky and funny and sweet. She accepted Stitch. She also proved a genius with holograms. I picture Lilo getting along with her.
The lady with the orange shirt was great too. She was one plucky one. And sweet.
The teacher turning to a Hulk due to the alien cracked me up.
The Grand Councilwoman's reaciton to Ai hugging Stitch got to me. She does own a heart. She is unable to say 'no' to kids. First Lilo... then Ai. Yep. They seem to have a way to get to her.
The monster Jumba forged to help fight the robots was awesome.
The buccaneer rivalry was great. Reminded me of Power Rangers; Operation Overdrive with the enemies being rivals. Yep. Great comedy such as the squabbling. And great drama coz Stitch has to stop them before innocents get caught in the crossfire.
Pleakley was funny in this. As was Jumba.
Cobra appearing. Good. Wonder if he's here due to the buccaneers.
Wonder if any cozes would show up. I hope Reuben, Sparky, Splodeyhead, Angel, Slushy, Retro, Kicks, Elastico, Spooky, Squeak, Nosey, Yin, Yang, and Shrink pop up. I see Nosey and Squeak bringing comedy with their quirks.... and so would Fibber if he were here such as beeping when people fib. Yin and Yang would fit due to obviously their names and could help show teamwork on an episode. Kicks would fit due to being a martial artist. The elementals would fit due to elements being linked to Asian spirituality. And Angel would fit being a martial artist, and help show Stitch's softer side.
Wonder when Lilo would show.
It would rock if Ai did kung fu.
I look forward to the dragons.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 95
Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:10:10 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Yeah, I wanted to mention the new voice actor for Stitch. He sounds a little deeper than Chris Sanders, but I take this as meaning that Stitch has physically matured since we've last seen him. We don't know much about Experiment physiology, so it's entirely likely that they experience a form of puberty. (In my own fan made canon, Experiments can live for around 200 years before dying of old age. This makes for a heart wrenching realization for the Experiments living with Lilo, who will watch multiple generations of Pelekais be born, live, grow old, and then die in their lifetime.)
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Stitchthebest36
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Wed, 12 Apr 2017 23:05:18 MDT
Awesome news! Someone has uploaded some of the the “Stitch and Ai” episodes to youtube in Chinese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhzrfLLNAXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7twPXgJUfaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-rkjI6Mdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmdAbZrqE1M
Channel link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtB_HSACArFz8yLoksNEmMg
My apologies if I did not post the links in order!

To Elastico's Foot: Thanks! Yeah I agree. I also like how Stitch and Ai meet right after Stitch lands on earth in that bubble thing instead of Stitch going on that weird low blood sugar like(I have friends with diabetes who compared Stitch's rage with bad insulin reactions LOL) hunger driven rage through the Japanese island town center in "Stitch!" episode 1. Much more effective. Ai also seems more creative in her approaches to problems. From seeing the english trailer for "Stitch and Ai" I also prefer Stitch's VA for "Stitch and Ai" over Ben Diskin (sorry if I mis spelled the name) in "Stitch!". The new VA sounds more natural as Stitch so far.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 95
Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:15:10 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Yeah, I'm a bit hesitant to pass a full opinion until I've seen a version that will allow me to understand the dialogue and get the full facts.

Yeah, I'm glad you see what I mean about the different introductions to the very different characters of Yuna and Ai. Yuna is aggressive and confrontational, and then her arbitrary fear of thunder is thrown in as a forced method of having her and Stitch grow closer together. It feels very contrived and cold, and doesn't at all make the relationship between the two characters charming or relatable.
Stitch and Ai, however, start out by panicking, but then laughing together once they realize that they're each as surprised as the other. Ai then begins asking Stitch about his origins and he feels comfortable enough to tell her. The writers clearly knew that they didn't need to force a conflict and then force a resolution to make the relationship interesting. Characters can get along and then encounter problems together and be completely interesting and identifiable. It might not have the same gravitas as Lilo and Stitch's relationship, but it's good writing regardless.
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Stitchthebest36
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Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:29:31 MDT
To Elastico's Foot: I agree, I really like the kidnapping premise over the anime, and I am slightly bothered by Stitch seemingly not desperate to return to Lilo. But remember we only have access to the Chinese dub not the english that it was first produced in so it is possible that Stitch wants to return to Lilo once the aliens trying to capture him have been disposed of in some way i.e perhaps it is safer for Stitch to temporally live with Ai until the danger has passed. The Grand Council Woman does mention Lilo at one point and perhaps Cobra's odd presence in this show is because they eventually hope to get Stitch back to Lilo. Stitch seems to think of Lilo in flashbacks quite a few times so that is hopeful. I also wonder if Stitch has a bit of PTSD from being separated from Lilo since he seems distressed during the flashbacks. I also re watched episode 1 of "Stitch!" and you are right, Ai's intro is vastly better than Yuna's when they first meet Stitch.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 95
Wed, 12 Apr 2017 12:39:38 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

So from that premise, it sounds like Lilo and Stitch were separated forcibly. That makes much more sense than the whole boyfriend or pregnancy thing they tried in the anime. Still, though; one would think that Stitch would be desperate to return to Lilo. (Yeah, I'm a bit stubborn with this whole idea, aren't I? But can you really blame me?)
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Stitchthebest36
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:49:15 MDT
I will watch as much of the "Stitch and Ai" as I can and report back. Some stuff about "Stitch and Ai" appeared on some Wikis Info below: (Most of it we know already)


In the Chinese animated series Stitch & Ai (2017), Stitch has been kidnapped from Lilo by space pirates and is held captive in their spaceship. However, when a rival gang attacks the ship wanting Stitch for themselves, he uses the opportunity to escape back to Earth. He ends up in the Huangshan mountains and meets a young Chinese girl who lives there named Ai Ling, who (similarly to Lilo) takes him into her family as her new pet "dog".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stitch_%26_Ai

Stitch & Ai (Chinese: 安玲與史迪奇; pinyin: Ān líng yǔ shǐ dí qí) is a Chinese animated spin-off of Disney's Lilo & Stitch franchise and the successor to the Stitch! anime series. The show features a Chinese girl named Ai in place of Yuna, and is set in the Huangshan Mountains of China. The TV series is produced by Anhui Xinhua Media and Panimation Hwakai Media and began broadcast on CCTV-14 on March 27, 2017.[1] Unlike Stitch!, this series was originally produced in English in co-operation with American animators and then dubbed into its local language. An international broadcast has yet to be announced.[2]

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Stitch_%26_Ai




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Stitch & Ai

Stitch & Ai
Genre
Science fantasy, Comedy
Format
Chinese
Number of seasons
1
Number of episodes
13
Production
Running time
22 mins
Production company(s)
Anhui Xinhua Media
Panimation Hwakai Media
Broadcast
Original channel
CCTV-1
CCTV-14
Audio format
English (produced)
Mandarin Chinese
Original run
March 27, 2017 – ongoing
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Stitch & Ai (安玲与史迪奇 "An Ling and Stitch") is a television series spinoff of Lilo & Stitch produced for Chinese audiences that premiered on March 27, 2017 on CCTV-1 and CCTV-14. It is the Lilo & Stitch franchise's third TV series, after the Western-animated Lilo & Stitch: The Series and the anime Stitch!.
Similar in premise to the anime series Stitch!, the series sees Stitch separated from Lilo after being captured by a gang of space pirates who had hoped to replicate Jumba's research. When Stitch escapes, he ends up re-entering Earth's atmosphere over China and ends up landing in the Huangshan Mountains where he befriends a young girl named Ai and becomes part of her family.
While the series was produced in English before being dubbed in Mandarin for Chinese broadcast, plans for any potential U.S. or other international release are currently unknown.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 95
Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:39:22 MDT
Anyone regularly keeping up on Stitch & Ai, please make known when Angel shows up, if she ever does. The series would get tremendous props from me if they can do her well.
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Stitchthebest36
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Mon, 10 Apr 2017 22:32:21 MDT
To Doverstar: Mahalo for the link! You are absolutely right that people need to watch the series first! I posted the link to the Save L&S tumblr account along with some other "Stitch and Ai" posts. I watched more episodes of "Stitch and Ai" and so far I really like this series honestly!! Ai is adorable. To be honest Ai reminds me of your version of Lilo's daughter Ani in both design and personality if you don't mind my saying so. I mean that as a huge compliment! I also noticed that there is more than one flashback of Lilo in "Stitch and Ai" in the first movie and the re-animations of the Lilo & Stitch first movie scenes are vastly better than the "Stitch!" season 3 episode "Reunion with Lilo". I noticed in one episode Ai sees some spirits or ghosts and it seems to imply her parents are dead like Lilo's so perhaps the older lady living with Ai and her sister is an aunt or something? That's not to say I don't have some problems with this series like some scenes basically being rehashes of "Stitch!" scenes, and Cobra Bubbles mysteriously helping the Grand Council Woman and there not being any attempt by Stitch,Pleakley or Jumba to return home to Lilo. However some of my issues with this series are simply from the lack of english translation. I hope somebody finds copies with english subs or dubbing and uploads them eventually. I also hope "Stitch and Ai" gets more than 13 episodes and airs in the U.S. From what I have seen a lot of people hate that Lilo is not really in "Stitch and Ai" but like the animation and prefer "Stitch and Ai" over the "Stitch! anime".

To Sam Cook: So "Stitch!" is airing in Britain again? Have you watched the new series "Stitch and Ai"???
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Sam Cook

Posts: 313
Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:12:17 MDT
I saw the episode when Yuna used an umbrella to block Sample's sonic-blasts. She was so brave... and so gentle.
I got this awesome idea. She learns bartitsu.... an eclectic martial art and self-defence method originally developed in England during the years 1898–1902 by E.W. Barton-Wright who fused Jujutsu, Swiss Wrestling, Savate, Canne de combat, Judo, and Boxing.... immortalised as the martial art Sherlock Holmes used to fight Professor Moriarty on Reichenbach Falls.
I see Yuna using bartitsu.... wielding the umbrella when doing so. It looks smart but can be practical. Yep. She can learn it from Jane Porter who dwelled during the 19th century. Would be great to see her use the umbrella with some martial arts. The umbrella looks goofy but turns out handy.... as Yuna looks sweet but can be tough when needed. Proof how appearances deceives which is one of the running themes on the Stitch franchise.
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Sam Cook

Posts: 313
Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:04:14 MDT
I saw the episode Perfect Memory on my local Britain language. Tiira really got to me on it. She was a robot.... yet she developed to be a person. She learned too well to be sentient and to feel. She bonded well with Stitch and co. Yep. A great way to show Yuna's humanity.... for most humans prejudice robots, yet she accepted her as a person for her noble self-sacrifice for Stitch. Yep.
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Doverstar

Posts: 38
Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:40:56 MDT
Aloha, friends! I know we're all going crazy over Stitch and Ai and even though I'm against Disney ignoring Lilo not once, but TWICE in coming up with spinoffs, I wanted to actually SEE the show before I got riled.

Anyway, I'm not gonna complain a ton cuz that's boring to read, (plus our Guidelines politely forbid it up there) and I don't wanna rain on anyone's excitement.

I know I'm not alone in wanting to see it, so I did some digging and a very sweet person on tumblr gave me the link to watch the first couple episodes of the show! No English dub or subtitles, sadly, but if you want to actually WATCH it in sub-nice quality, here's the link I was given:

http://tv.cctv.com/2017/03/27/VIDEqji9jDCAHDYA1saxzzZm170327.shtml

Use the list in the right margin of the video to find more episodes of it, and Google should ask to translate the page for you if reading titles would help find more. I think Ai is really cute and I'll probably like her more than Yuna, though I prefer Lilo to all of these newbies.

ANYWAY. There you go, my friends! Let me know if it's working for you. :)
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Sam Cook

Posts: 313
Fri, 7 Apr 2017 13:23:10 MDT
I saw the trailer for Stitch and Ai. Looked good.
The bit when Stitch juggled the plasma blasts and when he tried to pose as a stone creature cracked me up.
Ai seemed right. Such a plucky and kind girl. Yep.
Dragons on this. WOW!
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 95
Sun, 2 Apr 2017 17:21:36 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Yeah, if Ai had been Lilo's daughter, and the series just picked up with her and Stitch already being friends, that'd be stupendous. And yeah, I know this is all we're getting right now, but I've always been one to shoot higher; I'd rather continue hoping for something better than settle for the decent outing we have now, despite my gratitude for the improvements.
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Stitchthebest36
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Sun, 2 Apr 2017 17:04:51 MDT
To Starryblast9: Mahalo for the trailer! Apparently the show was animated in an english speaking country so it is already english dubbed,hence the trailer being in english, but that it may not get a U.S release. My personal theory is that after the negative reaction to Stitch! Disney may not want to try releasing new Stitch content here in the U.S which would TOTALLY SUCK because I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS SERIES IN THE U.S and I will be emailing Disney begging them to release this on one of the U.S Disney Channels. I LOVE that they actually acknowledged that Lilo exists in the very first episode of this series!!!! This "Stitch & Ai" series seems to apply these evil aliens chasing Stitch throughout the series may have kidnapped Stitch and therefore separated Lilo and Stitch forcibly in a way that would be clearly beyond their control. This would be a much better explanation than that Lilo has a boyfriend or the Lilo went to college abandonment plot line from the Japanese series. I like Ai's sister as well. Both seem like interesting female leads who can take care of themselves and the older adult female who I'm guessing is Ai's mother is pretty funny with her dizzy spells and fainting LOL.

To Elastico's Foot: I agree with your assessment of Ai, Stitch,animation and the storytelling. As to Lilo I completely understand why you are upset because Ai could have so easily been written as Lilo's daughter, heck, Ai even has black hair and brown eyes and her eyes and body are animated almost the same as Lilo's i.e very expressive. I can so easily picture Ai and Lilo as being mother and daughter in both personality and looks. Or they could have had Lilo and the GrandCouncilwoman give Stitch a special mission to teach little lonely girls the meaning of Ohana like how Lilo and Stitch were originally tasked with finding experiments. The sad thing is that these options would so easily continue Lilo's story but they just don't do it and that is lazy and I do hate that Lilo is getting the short shift because in my opinion Lilo is one of the best realizations of a female character ever. That being said, "Stitch!" and "Stitch and Ai" are what we are getting at the moment so I choose to accept it and enjoy the new content as its own separate series which will hopefully inspire new Stitch related fan fics.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 95
Sun, 2 Apr 2017 14:44:56 MDT
Oh, wow, a new Stitch series just came into existence right under our noses! Who would've thought? Guess I'll give my thoughts on what I saw.

So, right off the bat, the animation is way better than the anime, as is, yes the character designs. No longer does this look like Stitch has been weirdly photoshopped into some second-rate anime series; despite the difference in culture and setting, Stitch blends in nicely alongside the new characters and environments. The action, as well, is a lot better. In the anime, fight scenes looked more like awkward mating dances and were uncomfortable to watch and impossible to get invested in. Stitch's powers are put to much better use. The scene from the first episode where he and Ai are sledding down a hill while fending off Federation soldiers (or I assume that was what they were) is a great example.

Speaking of Stitch, he is portrayed much better here. He's far more competent and much more likable. I've said before that the problem with his anime counterpart is that the writers confused wit with stupidity. That confusion is thankfully gone here.

I also quite like Ai. She seems much more relatable and likable than Yuna, and has much better chemistry with Stitch. (Yuna greets Stitch with animosity, while Ai greets him with curiosity. Much better introduction.) I like how she has a multitude of interests, like drumming and filmmaking, which makes her much more interesting than Yuna's one-sided devotion to karate. Stitch's relationship with Ai is certainly much healthier than his with Yuna. (And I also love that Ai is the same height as Stitch, because it always bugged me that Yuna was taller than Stitch; I always saw it as a visual metaphor for the fact that the two characters simply weren't meant to be together.)

However, with all this said, I still feel like there's a greater problem with this new series.

Now, you might now be saying, "Oh, come on, Elastico's Foot! They fixed pretty much all your biggest problems from the anime! Better action, better new main character, more accurate portrayal of Stitch; what more could you want?!" Well, let me explain to you (while Elastico stares at you with immense discomfort, wondering why you're getting so frustrated with his foot.) exactly what I mean.

The core problem that this new show will always even at its highest potential is this; Lilo simply should not be replaced. I know that life depends on change, but not change in general; it is specific, necessary changes that must be made to make improvements. Lilo is not one of those things. The whole point of Lilo and Stitch is that the two characters are each the solution to their own flawed selves; Stitch helps Lilo cope with her grief and depression, and Lilo helps Stitch reinvent himself into something greater than what he was created for. Had these two never met, it's likely that their lives would have deteriorated more and more, Stitch becoming an unstoppable, murderous demon of a creature, and Lilo becoming drained and beaten by her depression, until they each met their own unfortunate ends, Stitch likely by execution and Lilo likely at her own hands. It's only because these two unlikely and tragic people met that they could each become each other's savior.
To simply put Stitch with some other random human, whether someone as boring and unlikable as Yuna or as kind and curious as Ai, is to completely disregard that beautiful coincidence.
The problem this new show maintains from the anime is that it still doesn't truly continue Stitch's story. Rather, it only inserts him into a story that was going to happen regardless of his presence. His relationship with Lilo is not as someone who swoops down, saves the day, and then ultimately leaves again. He'll be there at her graduation, at her wedding, at her deathbed, at her funeral, and at all of the above for her children, and their children, and their children, until he himself finally dies after who-knows-how-long-Experiments-live. This story, as well as those of the Experiments who join Stitch and Lilo in this generation-spanning devotion, is the continued story of Lilo and Stitch that must be told, whether it's filled with joy and bliss or conflict and loss. Anything else, no matter how effort and thought a writer or writers may put into it, is a mere distraction, or rather, a stubborn denial, of the truth.

And that is why I cannot be excited by this new Stitch series. We are still a far cry from the show we, and Lilo and Stitch (key phrase being "Lilo and") need and deserve.
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Jowad

Posts: 145
Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:52:04 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

I know that the experiment concept is modeled with the Pokemon thing, but what mean by slowly into Pokemon anime territory, is the replaceable female companions part of it and the repetitiveness of the same story retold through a slightly different angle.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:19:09 MDT
To Jowad:

Hoo boy, just watch it if you think you can get through it. Go slow if it irritates you (that was what I did with the anime, and it helped me to not go flying-off-the-handle crazy). I did say it was another retelling much like the anime is, so make of it what you will.

TBH, Lilo and Stitch always kind of DID have the whole Pokemon thing going on once they introduced the other experiments (heck-even I name some of my own Pokemon after experiments; Chandelure is always "Heat", Guzzlord's "Tank", etc.). Back to your point though, I can definitely see how it looks disappointing and like Stitch is getting the Ash Ketchum treatment in regards to female companions. One way to look at it though, would be to think of it as Stitch helping out other kids and applying what Lilo taught him. But again-that's me. Feel free to like or dislike it however you want. :P

To Stitchthebest36:

SAME ON THE NEW DESIGNS; I love how it went back to a Sanders-like design for the characters, and I like Ai and Jeijei (her older sister). There seems to be a sort of time skip; either it takes place after the anime or after the first movie in it's own separate AU; it doesn't really specify (though the first movie's referenced and shown in flashbacks). There's no English version sadly, but here's the site with the trailer:

https://icv2.com/print/article/37134

Don't really know why exactly they keep pairing Stitch up with girls, but hey-new Stitch stuff and the franchise is continuing. I'm really excited for this too! :)
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Stitchthebest36
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Sun, 2 Apr 2017 00:46:55 MDT
To Jowad: I posted the theory video and another funny video on the tumblr.

To Elastico's Foot: Thanks! Sorry for my late reply.

Starryblast9: WHOA! OMG! A NEW STITCH SERIES???!!!!!! I watched it(one episode anyway) and I have to say the new designs are beautiful. They seem a bit closer to the design of Lilo & Stitch. The new girl is cute and younger and more innocent than Yuna which I like. This of course begs the question of what happened to Lilo and Yuna in the new canon? Is Yuna dead? Is Lilo grown up? or dead? Can you PLEASE find more information on what the series plot line is? Can you post links and info in english here please??? What is the name of the new series??? i.e How do I look it up? Do you have the link to the trailer? When I clicked on that link I got episodes not the trailer. This also makes me think of 2 other questions, why do they always pair Stitch with girls and not boys? And what are they gonna do next? "Stitch in India"? LOL. In all seriousness I'm glad the Stitch franchise is continuing on. Honestly I'm excited by this!
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Jowad

Posts: 145
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:57:31 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

Okay I was able to watch the trailer for it and after watching it and what it's about, the only thing I think to myself is 'Why is this a thing!?'.

Because honestly, from what I got, this is just a rehash of the anime, but instead of landing in Japan, Stitch lands in China.

It's stuff like this that reason why I now think that the Lilo & Stitch franchise is slowly fading into Pokemon anime territory, why, because you know that every post-Johto saga of the show would start with Ash going into a new region with a brand new female companion for him, it's pretty much the same thing with both anime & the new Stitch & Ai series where Stitch crashlands into a new region with a brand new female companion for him, do you see my point.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:34:27 MDT
To Jowad:

I think maybe try your phone, 'cause it's telling me I need Adobe Flash Player to watch it on my PC (it worked just fine on the phone).

I just discovered it early in the week and the original post stated that an English release isn't a good possibility. Disney hasn't mentioned the anime either, don't really understand why.

Also-this is being worked on by Tony Craig, who was involved in the original series and two of the movies. Interesting tidbit that I thought I'd share. :P
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Jowad

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Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:15:35 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

Now hearing about it your telling the truth although it's strange that Disney didn't confirm this Chinese Stitch iteration to any news sources.

By the way, I'm try to watch it but the player on that website is not working.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 20:28:10 MDT
Though TBH I thought it was a prank too,considering the time I found it was right around April First.

Then I found out it was real. Which was...VERY weird, to say the least. Personally I'm happy we have a new iteration out, but that's me and my opinion.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 20:22:24 MDT
To Jowad:

Uhh...it's not a prank. It's real. There's seven episodes out ATM.

http://big5.cntv.cn/gate/big5/tv.cctv.com/2017/03/28/VIDAQ9dbLxKaI953aCxzCMb7170328.shtml

o-o

If this were a prank the thing would've been unveiled today, but it was revealed a few days ago. Specifically 3/28 (or 3/29)
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Jowad

Posts: 145
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 18:56:25 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

Ah, Nice Lilo & Stitch-related April Fools prank.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:44:22 MDT
...Well, we have a new Stitch iteration.

It's another retelling focusing on Stitch crashlanding in the Huangshan mountains and befriending a girl named Ai. I watched a few episodes and it's really good; the action's pretty nice and it has some interesting new alien designs.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 95
Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:28:11 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Speaking of Experiments learning spirituality, I have actually had this idea that Chopsuey (621) takes up archery as a form of meditation.
I'm agnostic and have been trying to avoid having religion as a major factor in my stories, so perhaps it would be better if you were to write such a story.
Exactly. There's no harm in a female character requiring rescue so long as they are in a situation that's genuinely bigger than their own individual abilities. There lies the difference between good writing and stereotyping.
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Jowad

Posts: 145
Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:49:23 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Thanks. by the way on tumblr you forgot about the Stitch theory video from early this month on that page.
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Stitchthebest36
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Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:43:37 MDT
To Jowad: I just updated the revival petition for you here https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-reboot-of-lilo-stitch-the-series/u/19758992
I hope the update is to your liking.

To Elastico' Foot: Mahalo for understanding! Yokai are interesting as a cultural tibit but they definitely do not fit into a sci fi setting as actual characters. However I don't mind Stitch learning about spirituality be it Hawaiian Gods,or religions like Christianity or Hinduism etc. It would be really interesting to see the experiments get character development through exploring other earth cultures. I met somebody really cool the other day who was a hindu and I kinda thought it would be cute if one of the experiments suddenly decided to become a hindu in a fan fic! I may write that myself if one of you guys don't. :)
I agree and good way of wording it. I think Angel could have broken the glass and caught herself on part of a building or tree with a fancy acrobatic move.

To Starryblast9: sorry, I made a slight error on my last post. I meant it makes sense for Lilo to be somewhat immature as she is a kid but her writing feels inconsistent sometimes.
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Elastico's Foot

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Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:49:54 MDT
No worries to either of you. I understand you all have responsibilities that must come first.

To StarryBlast9:

I really didn't care for the Yokai characters. Their presence reminded me more than anything else that I was watching a show clearly not made by somebody interested in continuing Stitch's story.

I actually once thought of this idea of the Men in Black trying to erase people's memories of the Experiments. Stitch would even grab and threaten Agents K and J when they tried to erase Lilo's memory of him.

I've always felt a better idea would be to choose a few Experiments and then develop them more as consistent supporting characters. All this constant elimination of the Experiments from the story makes one wonder what the point of their presence even is.

To Stitchthebest36:

I wouldn't say Lilo needing to be rescued is misogynistic. Let's compare Lilo being trapped in glass on a ship in the original film to Angel being trapped in glass on a ship in the anime. Lilo is an ordinary human, and a child at that. She can't possibly be strong enough to break the glass with her fists, and even if she could, she'd never survive that fall. Angel, however, can break the glass, and as we discussed before, it's very likely that she could survive the fall. In this situation, Lilo is genuinely helpless, so it's acceptable for her to need help. Angel, however, is fully capable of getting herself out of this situation, and still does nothing. That's where the misogyny comes in; having a female character who can take action but doesn't.
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Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:31:03 MDT
To Starryblast9: I always thought the Japanese characters in "Stitch!" believed Stitch and his cousins were Yokai like Kijimunna so maybe Angel just tells people she's a yokai? Still I agree it doesn’t make much sense and would put Angel in danger.
In terms of Lilo, in some episodes like "Elastico" and "Snafu" Lilo seems written as very selfish in regards to family responsibilities where as in "Drowsy" she is the opposite where she almost focuses too much on the experiments to the point of exhaustion so her writing is not consistent. It makes sense Lilo would be selfish and somewhat immature because she is between the ages of 6 and 9 years old. However I just remembered something about “Snafu” as I typed this which is that Lilo believed that all the experiments that were captured by Gantu had been sent to Hamsterviel and were therefore too difficult to rescue. She comments "We don't know where she is" when talking about Angel.

To Elastico’s Foot: SO Sorry for my long absence as well. School is difficult and I’m trying to find an actor for a lead role in my own film. The 2 other people I had in mind couldn’t do the roles because they are in poor health. If you know anywhere I could find some actors quick let me know? Anyway...
Yes I agree. On the note of misogyny, do you think Lilo getting rescued and screaming for Stitch to help her is also misogynistic?? Just curious.

To Jowad: Hate to repetitive with the petition again but the reboot one is almost up to 25 signatures so I will do an update in between my work ASAP.
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StarryBlast9

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Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:02:47 MDT
Really sorry for the long silence; I've been busy with school and making up tests for most of the whole week.

To Elastico's Foot:

That or else boring; besides Sasha and Yuna's grandmother, none of them really added much character-wise. (I could also add Kijimuuna, but it's mostly because Kijimuunas are the most famous yokai of the Okinawas...so more for cultural representation.)

I think people eventually COULD get used to the presence of experiments, but even so...IDK, I guess I just tend to think of the Sample episode with the "alien hunters" when it comes to this. I agree that it completely messed up Angel's development since she only came around every few episodes because she was traveling.

I've noticed it's an issue with almost all the experiments shown in the anime; they almost always just make a few appearances throughout the seasons and don't get much development or serve as obstacles to Yuna and Stitch. Third season (of course) makes it even more annoying and just has them deactivated and chucked into the back of Jumba's lab after every episode. They mostly make appearances as plot devices and not much else (Toons only being activated to help Yuna out with a school project for example.) I've heard that the experiments are deactivated for their supposed "protection" in season three, but I really don't buy it considering ones like Kixx, Witch, Heat, Plasmoid, etc. who can clearly defend themselves. So it just looks like lazy writing to me.

To Stitchthebest36:

Like I said with Elastico's Foot, I'm reminded of people like those two "alien hunters" in the Sample episode. I'm sure people could get used to the experiments given enough time, but still-there's some seriously weird and paranoid people out there (which is probably a big reason why the experiments are mostly hidden). If that's the case with Winfield, then that's very bizarre; what exactly about Lilo's character makes her look like a abandoner or a hypocrite? Ugh, that's probably true too, like the staff felt they didn't have to try to develop the experiments since they only had 65 episodes to work with. On Snafu though, at this point, it's a huge part of the reason I'm developing the fanfic I am right now; to me it was flat-out insulting with how it handled those experiments being abandoned. I get it's a kid's show, I get they only had 65 episodes, but either they do a decent job with handling a writing idea like leaving experiments behind or not do it at all.

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Elastico's Foot

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Sun, 12 Mar 2017 23:39:47 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

For a show that claims to be about friendship and kindness, the anime is surprisingly talented at creating some of the vilest supporting characters to ever disparage a screen.

I mean, I can buy that a society can be accepting of aliens' presence. What bothers me, personally, is the necessity for such a plot development. Why does Angel need to be a traveling singer? Why can't she just be in every episode? It simply seems nonsensical to me from a storytelling, character-developing wise.

To Stitchthebest36:

What I mean by "finding out" is Angel could be shown to just survive the fall. I think Stitch catching Angel in that episode is more evidence of the anime's misogynistic portrayal of Angel rather than of her ability or inability to survive high falls.

If Stitch and Lilo were to disagree, it should be on something with more weight. Here's an idea; suppose an Experiment, like 627, Leroy, or even Twang, simply wouldn't reform and continued to terrorize Lilo's loved ones, so Stitch reasons that the only way to stop the Experiment is to kill them. Lilo could argue that Stitch can't kill his cousin. This way, they disagree but they still keep sight of their love for one another; Stitch doesn't want anyone to threaten his family, and Lilo doesn't want him to reflect the actions of his former self.
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Stitchthebest36
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Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:24:28 MDT
To Jowad: Of course I have seen "Origin of Stitch".It's on my "Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has A Glitch" DVD. I thought it was really touching,especially when Stitch says "monster" and the ending when Jumba and Stitch hug.

To Elastico's Foot: It was a long time ago so I can't give you an exact quote but Pleakley said something along the lines of "You're making a huge mess!" or something general like that. I don't think many fans would want to see Angel get injured or die as a way of "finding out". However if I had written the episode I would have simply had Angel smash the glass,start falling and have Stitch see this and catch her mid air. I do not mind conflict between Lilo and Stitch. Arguments happen in families and friendships. But I agree that any argument Lilo and Stitch have would NOT end their deep friendship. What kind of message does Lilo and Stitch splitting send to kids? That friendships will break off completely due to petty things. Not a good message. I will comment on your story when I'm not working.

To Starryblast9: I despise Tigerlily! Awful. Yeah I always thought Angel being a singer would set off a fear of alien invasion but perhaps by the time period the anime occurs in people on earth are used to seeing the experiments? Just a random thought. I agree "Snafu" was lazy last moment writing. I had a problem with Lilo not realizing the danger she put the whole galaxy in, let alone the experiments themselves. I guess Jess Winfield who had a hand in the anime dub as well as writing "Snafu" sees Lilo as a person who abandons others which I do not like because it makes absolutely no sense given she lost her parents and feeds a fish every single week. Lilo is not an abandoner! It's possible they ignored the gold mine of character potential of the experiments because they knew from the beginning of production the series would end at only 65 episodes. Lazy.
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 48
Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:18:38 MDT
To Elastico's Foot:

Don't even get me started on Tigerlily. Unneeded, horrific personality, no development, just an awful addition. Even die-hard fans will revile her and for good reason.

Correct me if I'm off, but I think they were captured for roughly two years and were freed when the experiment hunt was almost over. And that too-the concept of an experiment like Angel (or like Slushy, Heat, Hammerface, Thresher, Plasmoid, and 627) was actually really good and they would've made pretty decent antagonists, or even examples of experiments who rejected the Ohana message or who had criticism against it. But nope-throw them to the sidelines and just AVOID all that potential. Here's another issue with Angel being a famous singer; the experiments are supposed to be hidden and under government and GF protection. People WILL notice the weird pink singing creature and start asking questions about her (for space this would be better because everyone's already aware she's one of Jumba's experiments, but on Earth it would be really complicated for her to get a one true place like a famous singer without drawing attention.).

To add in to how Angel gets treated in the anime...I find her portrayal outright weird, because two of the other female experiments introduced in the anime, Witch and Stank, were actually very proactive, had their own, well fleshed out personalities, and not needing to be "saved" in any way (unless you want to count Witch needing to have her transmutations undone). (They're actually my favorite female experiments because of this BTW) Bonnie was also portrayed decently in the anime, along with Tickle-Tummy. Angel's portrayal...is IDK what to call it, a fluke? A mess? (Actually both I suppose.) It's pretty embarrassing either way.

To Stitchthebest36:

For some of my other favorites, Kixx (he was my first favorite; I thought he was cool), Hammerface (for his personality), Thresher and Plasmoid for their powers, and Hocker because of his ability and personality. On Snafu, I guess I just really disliked Lilo's attitude throughout the whole thing. For just one example, Lilo says to Nosy during his rant "I didn't just LET" regarding abandoning the experiments...right to the face of one of the very experiments she let Gantu take and send to Hamsterviel. Her running down the aisle of captured experiments and greeting them as how she did also rubbed me the wrong way. From my perspective, it's like she didn't understand the true danger she put those experiments in by abandoning them. Personally I don't think malnutrition's in Hamsterviel's interests (or muscle atrophy, which is why I'm having them be sent back a lot) but I do think that for the ones with the offensive abilities, they may have developed health issues or have been weakened (via Dupe's abilities or the constant transporting) or be torn between staying with Hamsterviel for revenge or breaking out. Personally I look at "Snafu" as an attempt at an excuse for Lilo and Stitch abandoning experiments. :/
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Jowad

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Sun, 12 Mar 2017 07:31:41 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

It's okay now, Elastico's Foot and I have worked things out about that. By the way, have you ever seen the stitch short The Origins of Stitch?
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Elastico's Foot

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Sun, 12 Mar 2017 04:16:57 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

The third season also did a lot of very peculiar and sudden changes that are often foreboding in some shows. Not to mention the introduction of the absolutely wretched and detestable character known as Tiger Lily.

I think the problem here lies with the question; why do the Experiments need to be captured for so long at all? Why not have characters like Angel stick around and become major supporting roles? The anime did made a similar mistake by arbitrarily having Angel be a traveling singer. (I don't buy for a second that she wouldn't just stay with Stitch full-time, or at least convince him to come with her if becoming a singer is oh so vitally important to her story arc.) If a new Stitch series is ever made, the writers should embrace the potential of the Experiments as characters, and not find excuses to leave them on the sidelines.

To Stitchthebest36:

No worries. If you do ever find anything more to say, please consider leaving a review on the story itself. You don't need an account on the site to leave a review, and it allows people finding the story themselves to easily see the feedback of previous readers.

On the subject of not knowing if Angel could've survived the fall as Stitch did; that would've been a great opportunity to find out, wouldn't it? (Although I've written Angel as being equally invincible as Stitch, save for the latter's resistance to plasma.)
But yeah, Angel should be portrayed as strong and independent and loyal to her friends. The anime writers should be embarrassed by their portrayal of her.

Also, I will confess, that while I love Elastico the Experiment (and his username-inspiring feet), I have mixed feelings about his debut episode. I don't like to undermine creativity, but I strongly dislike any story concept that involves conflict between Lilo and Stitch after the events of the original film. Despite their young age, they've been through too much and too strongly value their connection to allow petty things to bring them apart. (Hence why the anime just doesn't work.)

Also, out of curiosity, do you know what Pleakley said in the Japanese dub?
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Stitchthebest36
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To Jowad: I know you want to promote the petitions but I agree that you need to be careful not to be too overly forceful or repetitive in promoting. I'm trying to promote a new film I wrote so I can cast actors in it but I have to not over do it or people won't want to help with the film. Speaking of which, any ideas on how I can promote my film?? Anyway, I did see "Tangled:Before Ever After" and it was pretty good, not where I expected it to go as it appears to be taking place right before Rupenzel marries Eugene.

To Starryblast9: My favorite experiments…hmm…I would say Sample because I love Sample's almost chilled out design despite being loud as heck, Swapper because I love his design, Spooky because I love his powers,Sparky because I liked his personality, Angel because I think she's cute and sweet in L&S The Series.
My worst episode of Lilo & Stitch was "Elastico" because Lilo acted like a jerk. As for the Stitch! anime I also really disliked season 3 except for the Lilo episode and the finale with Dark End. Stitch! season 3 was just too formulaic for my taste like they didn't even bother to watch seasons 1 or 2 before producing season 3. The Lilo & Stitch episode "Snafu" didn't bother me at all when I first saw it but yes it is odd that Lilo waited that long and that only Nosy managed to escape. I have a fan theory that perhaps the experiments were not properly fed under Hamsterviel's care so maybe the experiments were weak and not thinking straight so even Angel did not think to smash the glass until motivated by Stitch. However I disagree that Lilo was not serious about the rescue because she did thoroughly plan it once she decided to do it.

To Elastico's Foot: I really like the story but can’t think of any further thoughts at the moment. I will let you know if I think of any later. I promise. I’m just very busy. In regards to the episode “Reuben 2.0” as a female myself I agree it was definitely not the best writing of a female character to say the least, but if Angel had smashed the glass it is possible she could have fallen to her death so that might be why she waited for one of the boys to rescue her. We do not know if she is indestructible like Stitch or not. It was the way Angel passively waited around before being captured by Gantu in the glass dome that bugged me. I like strong female leads. That’s why I liked that Yuna knows karate. I think the ankle bitting line is just a result of bad dubbing. I do not think Pleakley says that in the Japanese version at all judging from the bit of rough translation I got from a youtube commentator. Nothing more than a forced gag.
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StarryBlast9

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Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:10:30 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Yep; that was one of many recycled plots in season three. It's like they had NO ideas whatsoever after only a few episodes and just decided to reuse the episode plots with the experiments instead of yokai or whatever plot device or lead in they had for the original. Season three was done by a different company (Shin-Ei Animations) which is sub-par in comparison to Madhouse. It's kind of why season three's so weird and "cutesy" (I don't know what else to call it) in comparison to the first two. Even many fans aren't impressed with it. You'll get some who love the Lilo episode or some other random one, but most avoid it like the plague. I actually ended up a bit partial to it because of the experiments, but even I tend to stick with the first two seasons due to how each season three episode deactivates and throws them away into that vault in Jumba's lab at the end.

To make it even better, Nosy and Fibber were on the ship at the end of their episodes. Also-they most likely WOULD be spending most of their time in the ship because they're going to need to eat, drink, move around, etc. It's to the point where I'm working it into my own fic where Hamsterviel gets an idea of the duo's schedule and sends the experiments back when Lilo's in school and the later hours of the night. And that's another thing-plenty of those experiments have offensive abilities (Nosy's even said to be a brilliant escape artist) and then there's Hunkahunka and Amnesio, who could've easily used their powers on Gantu and broken out. WHY they somehow needed Lilo and Stitch to break them out is beyond me. Especially with how Angel was able to do so.
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Elastico's Foot

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Thu, 9 Mar 2017 00:12:28 MST
To StarryBlast9:

On "Swapper 2.0", didn't the anime do two body swap episodes? That's another thing I hate about the anime; lots of double-dipping into story concepts. As I recall, plots such as body swapping, dream invasion, Stitch returning to space, Angel cheating on Stitch, a troublesome shapeshifter, a karate competition, the abuse of Checkers' abilities, and Yuna's father appearing are all recycled at least once. Gotta love that discount storytelling.

Actually, you make a very sound point with "Snafu." Beyond the weird realization that Lilo and Stitch waited until that episode to liberate the captured Experiment (surely they were inside Gantu's ship at least one other time before them.), but the entire point of the episode is invalidated the moment Angel destroys the glass with her skull. (I can just imagine her hitting her head against the glass in frustration while imprisoned, and then suddenly cracking it open to her and the others' bittersweet shock.)

Also, now that I think about it, I think I indirectly made a reference to this plot flaw in the most recent chapter of "Stitch's Revolution", in which Elastico escapes Hamsterviel's base and arrives at the Pelekai house just as Stitch and his allies are about to go save him. (Although 621 surrendered to Hamsterviel while freeing Elastico, so their venture remains valid.)
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StarryBlast9

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Wed, 8 Mar 2017 23:52:36 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

My fave's Heat (from the later part of my username and the "9"). I loved how he wasn't at all like the other fire or energy based experiments; he wasn't hyper or bad tempered and seemed a lot more conservative with his powers. He seemed a lot less evil and more observant than most other six-series, and I liked the idea of a calm fire/energy character.

To add to "Reuben 2.0"...I think Angel was actually going to marry Reuben because of that dress. With "Experiment-a-Palooza" I think it should've stopped with Retro using his powers on Stitch (also not exactly sure how that works). And I agree with what you're saying about "Stitch Becomes Peter Pan", especially since they already established that magic exists in the anime's lore. It makes no sense as to why they'd modernize something like Neverland. Maybe a TRON or Treasure Planet themed place would've worked better than Neverland.

Here's a few of mine:

"Hamjock Vielvonster": For the plot and how tedious it is. It also wasted Deforestator (though maybe that was a good thing looking back. Also tying into the whole "weird outfits" thing-well, I don't think I need to explain anything where Deforestator's concerned.).

"The Petite Queen": I really don't like the "rival girls competition" plot. Never have, never will. The plot's just mediocre at best and contrived at worst, with Thresher's appearance literally being the only good part of it.

"Swapper 2.0": I feel forced to like this episode; it's plot is bad, Stitch has a beyond bizarre love of being a human and spends all his time in Takumi's (I'm NOT referring to him by his English dub name) body instead of trying to find Swapper and get himself switched back (and vice versa with Takumi). And then there's Heat, who's referred to as SPLODYHEAD and has the most uneventful and stupid fight scene in the anime's history.

"Stitch's Birthday": HATE. HHHAAAATTTEEEE. "Stitch Has A Glitch" brought me to tears and is one of my personal favorites as a sequel. This episode takes what was beautifully represented in that movie and spits on it, paints Yuna and Stitch's friendship to be the exact same as Lilo and Stitch's, and even has beyond stupid methods of creating experiments (energy from planets colliding. To clarify, said energy is the equivalent to that of trillions of nuclear explosions, which would most likely destroy an experiment than create it). In my opinion, this is the anime's worst.

"Chocolate Stitch": Weird. And kind of disturbing.

"Hunkahunka" was pretty bad, with Lilo just shirking her responsibilities of finding Hunkahunka a home for hanging out with a brainwashed Keoni. Honestly, her behavior in that ep's just terrible. Personal worst series one for me would be "Snafu"; me being partial to the captured experiments, this didn't sit well with me, especially with how the two years of insanity those experiments had to put up with was tossed out the window and twisted to Lilo and Stitch's favor. No genuine apology from either Lilo or Stitch, the experiments acting completely unlike how they actually would from said experience (and it's even more stupid since the writers made their bed with this idea of abandoning them), and the two not AT ALL appearing serious about the rescue (and in Stitch's case, doing it mostly for Angel). And to add to this, plenty of other experiments could've broken out besides Angel; if she can get out via headbutt, then WHAT was up with Hammerface? Or Tank and Thresher? It makes no sense, and to me, is just a really underwhelming finale episode.
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Elastico's Foot

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Wed, 8 Mar 2017 19:44:15 MST
To Jowad:

"Stitch's Revolution" is a re-imagining of the "Lilo & Stitch" franchise. The short stories I mentioned earlier would be a separate project taking place in the same canon as "Revolution."

However, I can tell you that, of the "Revolution" chapters currently published, Reuben appears in "Birth", "Selection", "Confrontation", "Disclosure", "Parley", "Reunion", and "Flame."
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Jowad

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Wed, 8 Mar 2017 18:44:49 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Question, which chapter is the reuben one you were doing.
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Elastico's Foot

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Wed, 8 Mar 2017 10:32:21 MST
To Jowad:

I published the original draft in 2011, and since then have rewritten it twice; the third version is what's online right now. As an aspiring writer, it is critical to learn and accept the value and importance of rewriting.
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Jowad

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Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:00:07 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Deal.

Buy the way, about your Stitch's Revolution series, you it made not too long ago right, so then way does it say 2011 on it.
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Elastico's Foot

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Wed, 8 Mar 2017 01:00:30 MST
To Jowad:

Thank you. I'm real glad we could work that out with minimal fuss. But to answer your original question; I don't think there's anything I can do right now to promote the petition, but I'll keep it in mind in case anything changes.

To StarryBlast9:

Ooh, yeah, Jim Hawkins would be great to interact with Stitch, not only because their films came out in the same year, but also because it'd be great to see Stitch ride Jim's solar surfer. I already have an idea in mind to introduce a mass amount of Disney characters into "JLI", so any Disney character would be easy to have interact with Stitch. (Of course, any non-Disney characters are valid, too.)

As for my favorite Experiment, that would probably be Elastico (as my username may have foreshadowed). I love how his powers are used to reflect his personality, and I like the idea of an Experiment who simply loses interest in being evil and decides to become benevolent without intervention from Lilo.

Dumbest season three episodes? To name a few:

"Stitch Becomes Peter Pan": This one is just weird. I really like this idea because I love Disney crossovers. But then Neverland is just filled with arcade machines, roller coasters, and beauty salons, and the plot of everyone being mind controlled or whatever isn't really reflective of Peter Pan lore. Also, why didn't they use the traditional Disney Peter Pan design for his brief cameo?

"Hamjock Vielvonster": I really hate the anime's weird obsession with dressing up. It feels arbitrary and is never especially amusing. Also, nothing says boring plot like an incompetent villain.

"Reuben 2.0": This episode genuinely makes me angry; it's so misogynistic that it makes Princess Peach look like Carol Danvers. Going back to my disdain for the dress-up; Stitch is wearing a bowtie and overalls, Reuben is wearing a leather jacket and tight jeans, and Angel is wearing a white dress and elbow-high gloves. And Stitch and Reuben are fighting over her while she just sits in a glass dome (which the original series established she could smash open with a good headbutt) and gawks at them. Good criminey, maybe this kind of storytelling was acceptable in 1930s film serials, but in the 2010s, I would expect to have more active roles from female characters, especially a character like Angel who actually has incredible strength and other powers. (Not to mention that she saved Stitch three times in the original series, while the reverse never occurred.) Honestly, I'd probably call this the worst episode of the anime.

"Experiment-a-Palooza": So basically the point of this episode was to gather all the Experiments with lame powers, and have them fight a giant Stitch. (Japan getting their Godzilla love in there.) Just a weird episode with Experiments I'm not sure many are too interested in, although I do think it's worth mentioning this one line Pleakley says to the giant Stitch, which perfectly sums up his irritating continued presence in the franchise:
"Alright, now, stop this nonsense or we'll all bite you on the ankle! Well, maybe Yuna, won't, but I'll give you an ankle-biting you'll never forget!"

"Stitch Ahoy": Because animated Titanic things have just worked so well in the past, right? (Also, gotta love Slushy's logic; "I'll freeze all the citizens, but when I go to fight Stitch, I'll just freeze his foot." Brilliant.)

"Lilo": Need I say anything?

"Chocolate Stitch": Yeah, I...I don't know, either...


As for worst original series episodes, hard to say...Honestly, I'm not particularly keen on "Hunkahunka." My main gripe is that I don't like Keoni as a love interest for Lilo. Lilo's so peculiar and unique, and such a stale character as Keoni seems undeserving of her. I'd rather Lilo met someone as eccentric, if not more eccentric, than her (hence why I ship Lilo with Dib from "Invader ZIM."). Heck, it'd even be cool if she had a female love interest.
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StarryBlast9

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Tue, 7 Mar 2017 17:12:06 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

Personally I think maybe Jim Hawkins and Scroop from Treasure Planet or Milo and Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire would be some nice additions (and as characters Stitch meets). My own two cents though. :P

To...the entire forum I guess:

Alright, to maybe introduce some new talking points, here's a few:

Favorite experiments and why they're your faves?

For the anime, it being listed on Pan-Pizza's "Top Ten Weird Foreign Cartoon Remakes" and thoughts on that. (Also maybe dumbest Zutto/season three anime eps?)

Thoughts on the Ohana message in the franchise?


On a personal note though-I'm doing a list of the Top Ten worst series episodes, and I was wondering if I could know your personal worst ones (which episodes you had issues with, didn't hold up, etc.).
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Jowad

Posts: 145
Tue, 7 Mar 2017 16:42:03 MST
To Elastico's Foot:

I understand, it's just because I don't know what else to say about Lilo & Stitch at this point.

But if you have anything of what we can talk about for Lilo & Stitch that's different, then we can talk about it, sound good?
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