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Stitchthebest36
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Posts: 737
Wed, 21 Jun 2017 20:33:43 MDT
Happy 15th Lilo & Stitch! I love you and will love you always!

To Chris: So nice to see you post here again! I shared your review on the SLS tumblr too. I totally agree with your review!
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Chris

Posts: 237
Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:06:10 MDT
Aloha cousins, happy 15th anniversary to Lilo and Stitch! Some of you may not remember me but back in the day, I used to post here regularly and made many L&S music videos. Since then I have started a new YouTube channel focusing on movie reviews, and for the original's 15th anniversary, I have decided to review all four L&S films. Here is my review for the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hpB2HoNy0E
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Stitchthebest36
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Posts: 737
Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:24:11 MDT
To Jowad: Yes, here's the update https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-reboot-of-lilo-stitch-the-series/u/20607821 Hope you like it since I can't edit it. I don't know if uploading the L&S drawing you requested will work out since I'm overloaded and do not have a scanner. Sorry!

To Wayne: Mahalo! Will try to make some Stitch week tumblr posts in between film production.
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Jowad

Posts: 111
Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:11:04 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Now the revival petition is at 50 supporters!
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Jowad

Posts: 111
Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:40:16 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

I got a little petition report to you it's one supporter away to the 50 supporters mark, just make sure to do a petition update when it reaches to 50.

I got a question for you: With Lilo & Stitch turning 15, are you excited?
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Wayne
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Posts: 353
Mon, 19 Jun 2017 19:20:06 MDT
My apologies for taking so long to get this notice out. But our annual Save Lilo & Stitch Week will begin on Wednesday, June 21st. This is our annual event where we celebrate several important milestones in Lilo & Stitch's history. We will be posting more on our social media pages throughout the next week and encourage everyone to take this opportunity to contact Disney. With the release of the new spin-off series, this is a great time to let your voice be heard! Mahalo as always for the support! :-)
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Stitchfan40

Posts: 1
Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:15:13 MDT
Lilo & Stitch should stick together!
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JC

Posts: 9
Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:01:51 MDT
To Stitchthebest36: I definitely will let you know!
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Stitchthebest36
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Posts: 737
Fri, 9 Jun 2017 18:54:45 MDT
Finally done with my finals, can all of you please pray,cross fingers,wish luck, or whatever good luck thing you do, that I passed math?? Help? I NEED TO PASS!

To Elastico's Foot: The scene with Pig's arm was intense and well written. I also like how you write 627.

To JC: Thanks! If you find anymore info on "Stitch and Ai" particularly if you can find out if "Stitch and Ai" will get more seasons let us know ASAP?
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Mon, 5 Jun 2017 22:17:34 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Also, may I ask what you thought of the opening scene featuring Pig and 627's part in this chapter?
Though I've forgotten almost all of my early elementary school years, my parents tell me that my teachers thought there was something wrong with me because I preferred to read at recess than play sports.

To JC:

That's actually a pretty clever name; the words "stitch" and "scratch" both refer to battle scars. Not only that, but a stitch is a scar that's been treated, while a scratch is an untreated one. That's a neat way of symbolizing the contrast between Stitch and his evil doppelganger.
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JC

Posts: 9
Fri, 2 Jun 2017 18:33:39 MDT
Hey guys! Just wanted to let you know: I asked Tony Craig a question on Facebook again, and I don't know if this was previously known information or not, but I asked him the name of Stitch's grey "brother" who tried turning Stitch evil in the finale.

His name is Scratch.
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Stitchthebest36
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Posts: 737
Wed, 31 May 2017 22:35:34 MDT
Hi Everyone,

So sorry it took me forever to reply. School and my work are overloading me. No new news on “Stitch and Ai” at the moment.

To Jowad: I put the review here http://saveliloandstitch.tumblr.com/post/160929995584/review-of-lilo-stitch-2-stitch-has-a-glitch I have the drawing you want of Lilo,Stitch,Reuben and Angel but have no access to a scanner so I would need to remake the drawing in DA muro and upload it just before the L&S anniversary. Are you okay with that? I respect the reviewer’s opinion and agree with some of the criticisms too but disagree with him on the glitch plot being too much like a TV series plot.

To Elastico’s Foot: I read your chapter and was quite impressed. I was not expecting what happened to Hamsterviel and especially what happened to Gantu. Very well done. I agree with you on your comment about teachers. I have had some fabulous teachers but I have also had awful ones who stereotyped like crazy.

Starryblast9: School is sucking up my time too so I totally get it. I may not reply again until mid June because of it. Glad you got my message. I think Nani telling Lilo would be the best in that situation. You make a good point about Lilo and Stitch perhaps being too young.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Tue, 30 May 2017 20:24:33 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

Well, of course. It's really important for young girls to have characters and role models that encourage them to step outside of expected stereotypes. Actually, it's important that children not be influenced by stereotypes at all, and be allowed to embrace their own interests without being guided by corporations and teachers.

Nani sometimes gets annoyed with him, but there's not often any lasting consequences. (One thing that I actually quite like about Stitch & Ai is that they allow the characters to lose patience with Jumba when he goes too far. Once episode even ends with Stitch kicking Jumba very hard in the shin.)
I probably sound like I don't like Jumba, but the truth is that I do. I think he's a very interesting and amusing character (when done right, of course.) My problem is only with how the other characters respond to him, especially considering that there's a number of episodes where Lilo and Stitch get annoyed with each other for things much more minor than even Jumba's least damaging actions.

I can see your point. Perhaps I should rephrase. Angel does have the potential to be a very progressive female hero. Her anime counterpart is just such a contemptible 1950s misogynistic embarrassment that the simple trait of being able to fight and break oneself out of a cell can make a character seem on par with the likes of Lara Croft, Katniss Everdeen, Wonder Woman, Carol Danvers, Mulan, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Though original series Angel is the better character (mostly because of just how insufferable her anime counterpart is.), she still suffers from having only two episodes' worth of development, plus one scene in a movie. If she were allowed to become a series regular, helping Stitch and Lilo reform Experiments, then she could've become a really great and progressive female character. (One interesting story idea that comes to mind is Angel using her powers to reform Experiments, and Lilo and Stitch subsequently debating the morality of such a method.)

I think people might have just been so insulted by anime Angel that they'll take anything even slightly better. I'll confess, anything is an improvement over anime Angel.
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Jowad

Posts: 111
Mon, 29 May 2017 21:05:10 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

I'm not biased, despite my love of with most of the franchise, I respect his opinion about Lilo & Stitch 2.

By the way, how would you like to draw a picture that features Stitch, Lilo, Reuben & Angel.

Have you ever heard about the Stitch! Super chef app?
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StarryBlast9

Posts: 46
Mon, 29 May 2017 19:53:52 MDT
School has FINALLY let up enough to where I can come back, sorry for the very long absence.

To Stitchthebest36:

I know Lilo's a kid, but that can only excuse so much. She's going to have to take some responsibility at some point, and she should be at least realizing what she did wrong (or have someone tell her-Nani for example) or the impact she could have by going against those principles. If she WAS going to contradict herself, maybe the writers could've had her do so in a less drastic situation-say, a fight with Stitch or something to that effect. But really, why the heck did the Grand Councilwoman give a couple of children (Stitch is a VERY young experiment) the task of reforming over 600 bioweapons with a variety of different personalities and situations. As what happened with the captured experiments, Lilo and Stitch weren't mature enough to handle certain, more complicated situations (such as those of Angel, Reuben, Heat, Hammerface, Thresher, and Plasmoid).

I think your theory's very possible; plus no one really actually CHECKED to see if Stitch was alive (the only indication of his death is the depleted charge dropping to nothing). I dunno when it comes to the glitch itself though...his eyes were glowing (as in giving off an actual glow), he was jerking around, and he wasn't responding to her. Something should've clicked with Lilo that Stitch had something wrong with him, especially during his outburst at the hula school.

(Also I responded to your dA comment explaining what happened with that one guy)

To Elastico's Foot:

Same. Instead of getting frustrated over not getting the attention of a boy (which I actually found really gross and slightly offensive because I had a lot of male friends as opposed to female friends growing up), Lilo should've instead gotten to said point over something like her passions. Like maybe frustration over people not understanding WHY she likes certain things-such as bugs or the supernatural for example. Such a scenario would've been much more in character and relatable, especially to girls who shared said interests.

Well, we had the 627 episode...and that was about it. Jumba obviously hides a lot from the other members of his family, so its weird that no one really questions him or what he does. That's an interesting route to take, but I've seen your characterization of Jumba, so I suppose it's a rather appropriate ending.

Also, can I actually ask something? Because I'm wondering how exactly you view Angel's series portrayal as progressive. Maybe we don't see eye to eye on this but I personally view a progressive female character as doing more than just fighting. For me, it was also having a strong character, being proactive, etc. I actually viewed Angel's series portrayal as REgressive when I was a kid due to her (In my opinion) lack of overall character, flaws, and design. I get they couldn't fit in a very defined character given how she was captured, but still. In contrast, Bonnie and Yin were more progressive in my opinion; they had noticeable flaws (Yin had her temper, Bonnie was arrogant and manipulative), they didn't have the whole conventional "hourglass/pretty" design, and they also did things for themselves as opposed to just for Clyde or Yang (Angel by contrast, does a LOT of things and makes a lot of choices based more on Stitch's love for her instead of herself. Case in point, she should've broken out in "Snafu" for herself, not because Stitch told her he loved her). Maybe I'm missing something here, but looking through your thoughts on this, it seems to me that you're focusing more on Angel taking action as opposed to her strength of character. So I'm just kinda...wondering. :/ (I can see why her anime portrayal is such though. XP) (ALSO-in addition, I've seen several make the same statement, often degrading anime Angel's portrayal and saying her series portrayal was progressive...when in my opinion might not necessarily be the case, as just because something's a certain way doesn't automatically mean the opposite for something else.)

To Jowad:

I always try to look at things from the perspective of a casual viewer as opposed to a fan. (Often because I find the fan view to be very biased. For example-you probably wouldn't be as critical of a character such as Stitch if you were a fan. You CAN be, but you'll be biased because of your love for his character. I go through the same with my own favorite experiments and try to avoid it. (Hard for me to grasp that some people saw Heat as hot-headed. lol)) I think he brought up a LOT of good points about the movie such as the ultimately useless Pleakley and David subplot, the humor, and some of the inconsistencies. Overall he gave it a good review in my opinion and he was fair to it.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Tue, 23 May 2017 22:48:51 MDT
Hey everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that a new chapter of my Stitch story, "Stitch's Revolution", is now out.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7375614/18/

This one is a huge turning point in the story, so I'd really appreciate any thoughts and feedback you guys have to offer. Thanks again.
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Jowad

Posts: 111
Fri, 19 May 2017 13:19:44 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

AniMat's review of Lilo & Stitch 2 is here, put on tumblr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYXLd2B8urM
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Stitchthebest36
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Thu, 11 May 2017 21:56:58 MDT
To Elastico’s Foot and Starryblast9: I totally get what you are saying about Lilo since I do think her abandoning the experiments was dumb and overdone and Lilo could have been written as more patient, but remember that Lilo is between the ages of 6 and 9 so she is even more likely to go against certain values compared to adults(adults contradict themselves all the time) as she is still just learning some of those values herself. Having her never contradict herself would be boring. Remember Lilo is unique but that uniqueness does not make her perfect.
And yeah Stitch coming back to life purely through love was a bit of a stretch. I had a theory when I was younger that when Lilo turned on the fusion chamber Stitch got a small amount of the charge, enough to survive, but because his energy was so low he passed out for a little while(kinda like when a diabetic passes out from low blood sugar) and it took awhile for the charge to take effect so it just looked Stitch was dead and like Lilo brought up the charge by love when it was actually her quick actions that saved Stitch(which is another form of love maybe). I take evidence for this theory in the “Stitch’s birth” scene because Stitch was obviously functional even before he got the charge. As for Stitch’s glitch I noticed something, the majority of the time Stitch is glitching, Stitch has his back turned to Lilo, so she may not have seen his eyes turn green until before the hula competition scene. When the people I know who had those “episodes” from the stroke complications,had them, I had to be facing them and be able to see their eyes fully in order to see the full extent of their medical distress, that being said, even from a distance I could see something was wrong and since Lilo knows Stitch so well I would think Lilo would have picked up on the distress sooner.

To Elastico’s Foot: I do think it would be interesting for the experiments to show anger at Jumba but no,no Jumba does not deserve to die, a near death experience to teach him a lesson could be much, much better!

To Jowad: I know he doesn’t hate all the sequels but still I do not have my hopes up.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Mon, 8 May 2017 15:34:00 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Eyes are such a fascinating part of the body and make for great imagery. (I'll confess to using a lot of eye symbolism in my own writing.)
Oh, yes, the scene itself in terms of dialogue and pacing and everything is very excellently done. It's simply the deus ex machina of Stitch miraculously returning to life that's a little problematic.

To StarryBlast9:

That does seem to be the recurring problem with her more out-of-character episodes. I know kids sometimes get frustrated even with their best friends, but Lilo is very different from most kids; that's what made her so interesting in the original film. The best episodes of the series are the ones that fully embrace Lilo's uniqueness without having her slip too far into the petty flaws of more ordinary people.

Yeah, it's things like this that make me wonder, for all the episodes where Lilo and Stitch get cross at each other, why there isn't one where everybody gets cross at Jumba? (In fact, the Experiments actually *spoiler* kill Jumba in my story.)


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StarryBlast9

Posts: 46
Sun, 7 May 2017 15:46:14 MDT
So... I think I figured out exactly what went wrong with Lilo's character in the series; she lost her patience. Because in the first movie, she was very much this towards Stitch, but in the series, she doesn't seem to want to give certain experiments a chance if they somehow annoy her. Not to mention her simply leaving experiments who sided with Gantu (and thus would need more time to be reformed). Just something I realized when it came to Lilo being written badly. :/

To Stitchthebest36:

You're very welcome! :)

To Jowad:

I think the reason Animat's not too fond of Stitch Has A Glitch is because they pull the whole "love is stronger than death" thing on us (which is a bit of a cliche) and there's some pretty glaring inconsistencies like Lilo not noticing Stitch's blatant seizures and glowing green eyes while he was having them, along with Jumba not telling anyone besides Pleakley about what was going on. They're pretty big issues with the sequel, but I personally consider it solid for a Disney sequel (especially in terms of Stitch's character).

To Elastico's Foot:

To say nothing of Jumba's treatment of experiments like Ace who didn't act as how they were supposed to (i. e good/nice). And then there's the fact that he didn't even know what he was doing when he was reprogramming Felix. THEN there's also how some of the experiments act spoiled beyond belief while others almost seem desperate for any sort of attention.
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Jowad

Posts: 111
Sun, 7 May 2017 04:53:07 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Now to be fair, that guy doesn't hate all of the sequels he does like Aladdin 3, The Lion King squeals, Bambi 2, Fantasia 2000 & The Rescuers Down Under.

But I just hope that he doesn't slam Lilo & Stitch 2 too much, i'm hoping that he's going to be a little nice towards it.
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Stitchthebest36
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Sun, 7 May 2017 00:09:50 MDT
Here's a youtube clip from "Stitch and Ai" on youtube in Chinese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ5LPPcC5-o

To Elastico’s Foot: LOL I agree about Jumba. I have seen the metaphor for Stitch's glitch and neurologic conditions for years. The most obvious metaphor being epilepsy. I had people with Alzheimer's in my family so I do see a parallel there as well. However having known people with Alzheimer's personally I do not feel who a person is, is so strictly tied to memory like society makes it out to be. My family members still had their soul and/or spirit and still had their basic personality traits from before the Alzheimer's like they were stubborn and still liked or disliked things even if they did not remember why. As a person with Cerebral Palsy which is a form of brain damage I always really related to Stitch's glitch because I have muscle movements caused by involuntary reflexes that sometimes cause me to accidentally swat at people like Stitch did to Lilo when he scratched her face toward the end of the movie. As you may remember I am also making a film about someone with a stroke that I am still casting for here
http://cripvideoproductions.tumblr.com/post/157585455766/a-stroke-of-endurance-casting-call
and while I was talking to stroke survivors to research this film I witnessed them have "episodes" which were not seizures but would make their eyes look VERY weird(nystagmus on over drive, I think called saccades,SCARIEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN!!) and would make them behave in ways they seemingly could not fully control because their brain circuits had gone a bit haywire because of the brain damage itself and the healing process of the brain re wiring itself. I think the reason we see Stitch's eyes turn green in the movie is because one of the ways you check for nervous system damage or problems is to check the eyes. So Stitch's glowing green eyes maybe was a simple metaphor that kids could still understand that still connects back to real neuroscience. Regardless I think the "Stitch's death" scene was one of the most beautifully written scenes ever.

To Jowad: That reviewer seems to hate Disney sequels in general so I am not getting my hopes up, but I am happy to post the video to tumblr.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Sat, 6 May 2017 00:01:21 MDT
Actually, not too long ago, I was discussing "Stitch Has a Glitch" with a friend, and he made a very fascinating observation; Stitch's affliction can be perceived as a metaphor for Alzheimer's. Throughout the film, he reverts more and more to his original, malevolent self, as each aspect of his mind and soul is chipped away, not unlike how Alzheimer's makes one forget more and more about their life as it simultaneously kills them; not just the end of a life, but the total erasing of it.
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Elastico's Foot

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Fri, 5 May 2017 23:58:35 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

I still think it would be an interesting direction for the series if Stitch, Lilo, or Nani at one point said, "Hey, Jumba, you know I'm grateful for you creating me/my best friend, but sometimes you're just excruciatingly unhelpful."

To Jowad:

I can understand his perspective. I mean, I do commend "Stitch Has a Glitch" for being one of the few straight-to-DVD sequels to not only have animation on par with the original, but also a story that's worthy of the original. Perhaps, though, the focus of his criticism will be on how Stitch is miraculously resurrected at the end simply by the power of his ohana's love for him. Even I must admit that that's a big cheat, especially considering how well-written the rest of the film is.
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Jowad

Posts: 111
Fri, 5 May 2017 15:09:33 MDT
To Stitchthebest36 & Elastico's Foot:

Hey, remember the AniMat guy who has talked about Lilo & Stitch before, well now he is going to review Lilo & Stitch 2 probably next week for his next Classic Review, sadly he didn't seem positive about it, don't believe me, it's at the end of his recent review of The Hunchback of Notre Dame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjd-cyhtUc.

But, Stitchthebest36, when his review of Lilo & Stitch 2 is released, would you put it on the tumblr page.
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Stitchthebest36
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Thu, 4 May 2017 22:39:19 MDT
More info on Stitch and Ai from Wikipedia:

“In co-ordinance with this, there are occasional cameos from previous characters of the Lilo & Stitch franchise, including Captain Gantu, the Grand Councilwoman, Cobra Bubbles, and the Ice Cream Man.”

Also, Here’s a new DA group dedicated to Lilo and Victoria http://lilo-and-victoria.deviantart.com created by my friend Daniel Newton, please join the group if you are on DA?

To Jowad: It is still unknown if the experiments will appear in “Stitch and AI” as we don’t know its exact spot in the canon. According to TV Tropes: “Interquel: Gantu's presence in the United Galactic Federation—combined with Stitch's flashbacks of events that happened in the original film—establishes this series as taking place between the events of Leroy & Stitch (when Gantu was rehired after having been fired at the end of the original film) and the Stitch! anime (where he was dishonorably discharged prior to the events of that series).”

To Starryblast9: Thank you so so so much for re blogging my film blog post and following my film blog! Mahalo!!!

JC: I added the quote from Tony Craig to the Save L&S tumblr. Mahalo for the info!

To Elastico’s Foot: I completely agree that friendship stories can be vastly interesting with the right elements added, and I think my coworker would agree as well. So sorry for my delayed reply. I had a very busy week. In regards to Lilo, I was more specifically referring to how they forced the boyfriend plot into “Stitch!” not so much the creation of Ai as a character with that comment. To me Jumba is mostly reformed but can’t deny his nature. I think Jumba truly loves Lilo,Nani and the others.
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Sam Cook

Posts: 310
Wed, 3 May 2017 04:48:20 MDT
I think a good moment for Stitchzilla (his super-form) could be the final fight with the buccaneers espeicaly if they use some big robot or monster... a sorta big boss fight.... a Clash of the Titans.
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Tue, 2 May 2017 01:02:15 MDT
To JC:

Jumba's actually a really messed up person, if you think about it. Even after he's supposedly reformed, he just has these really disturbing ways of applying his scientific prowess to problem solving. Let's not forget, for instance, that he only created 627 to be a living, breathing "I told you so" to Stitch. And even after he sees how that spins out of proportion, he still goes and creates another Experiment afterwards. Honestly, though, that's probably the whole joke of his character; he's the most knowledgeable part of the cast, yet is also the most unreliable and untrustworthy. It's not too far off from Frodo and Sam's reliance on Gollum in "The Lord of the Rings."

It wouldn't surprise me. Stitch only watched a short part of a simulation, so by all means, there's probably lots more content on there that only Jumba knows about.
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JC

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Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:13:47 MDT
To Elastico's Foot:

That's actually a pretty good point haha. I'm a bit surprised at Jumba for STILL keeping secrets from his ohana, even post-Leroy & Stitch. Ah well. He probably forgot about it. :P
And we specifically saw "The Origin of Stitch" short film in flashback for this series, so there's no disputing that the simulations shown on Jumba's computer were only for Stitch's "primary" form (the red space suit and alien appendages.) Maybe Jumba has a super-secret file for Stitch's true form...?
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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:58:52 MDT
To JC:

That explanation actually seems reasonable, as well as in character for Jumba. A Godzilla-sized monster able to become smaller for easy transportation. Probably also good strategically; much easier to sneak into critical enemy compounds when you're not a giant.

The only thing I'm left wondering is how long until Stitch and co's patience with Jumba wears thin; a lot of bad things that happen in the series are kind of his fault.
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JC

Posts: 9
Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:03:42 MDT
I'll give you all more info as I come by it. He's been gracious enough to let me converse with him a bit, with benefit for you guys, as he also had a couple messages he seemed to want me relaying to you (the Stitch fandom).
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JC

Posts: 9
Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:55:35 MDT
The first thing he directly addressed when asked... "Was Stitch's red-eyed, eight-limbed, plasma-shooting, giant monster form his TRUE form for destruction?"

His answer?

"Jumba hid the code that turns Stitch into that monster deep within Stitch. It's what he was supposed to turn into when he found a large city to destroy, but his love from Lilo and now from Ai suppressed it so deeply, it was unknown if it could be reactivated beyond the point of no return. Jumba had kept this secret from everyone, even Stitch. There were never any large towns on Kauai, nor up in the Huangshan Mountains, so it was never activated until he was guided to a city and coerced into being subconsciously turned into this creature in our series. Now, I don't know if he was near any large cities in the Japanese series or not. I wasn't involved with them, never have seen them[...]"
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JC

Posts: 9
Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:52:14 MDT
Hey guys! I Facebook-messaged Tony Craig, and he gave me LOTS of good insight + new information about "Stitch & Ai," plus an update on the "Stitch!" anime's place in the franchise.

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Elastico's Foot

Posts: 83
Thu, 27 Apr 2017 12:53:55 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

I think an easy way around that is to have a friendship story that involves other elements that can attract audiences. For instance, I'm developing a novel about the friendship between a human superhero and an alien shapeshifter/serial killer. There's some horror, some sci-fi, some fantasy, all kinds of stuff in there in addition to the friendship that can also attract readers.
Honestly, though, I don't see why they'd ditch Lilo because of that only to substitute her with someone else to have the exact same kind of relationship with Stitch.

Thanks. It's essentially my variation on the "finding where the Experiment belongs" concept. Since in my canon, only a few Experiments ever land on Earth, and given the circumstances surrounding their respective arrivals, it makes more sense for them to stay with Lilo. Considering Nani works so hard to support Lilo, especially when she's barely in her 20s, and with the Experiments' abilities, it would only support the ohana message further for them to support their new family. Since the Experiment don't (and probably can't get) bank accounts, they'd all be paid in cash, and I just imagine them all excitedly running home to Nani waving their wages to her.
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Jowad

Posts: 111
Thu, 27 Apr 2017 04:53:34 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

Haven't see a full episode yet, but it is sad that experiments like Reuben & Angel won't be appearing in this series anytime soon.
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Stitchthebest36
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Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:04:55 MDT
A bit more info on "Stitch and Ai" from Wikipedia.

"Continuity[edit]
The series has various flashbacks to key scenes in the franchise which appear in episodes 1, 2, and 13. The flashbacks consist of closely re-animated sequences, copying the originals to the best of their ability. Flashback scenes include:

"Hawaiian Roller Coaster Ride" from Lilo & Stitch
"Jumba's Trial" from Lilo & Stitch
"The Birth of Stitch" from Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has A Glitch
"626 Simulation" from The Origin of Stitch
"Jumba & Stitch" from The Origin of Stitch"

To Starryblast9: I have the same problem with math. Today was "quadratic equations" BLEH! I agree. The destruction mode was not needed. Especially when Jumba stated "You are perfect genius design, meant to operate at peak efficiency at exact original size" in Lilo & Stitch the series i.e Stitch was designed to be the size of a 7 year old human.

To JC: Very interesting theory. It is similar to some of the theories I had. At least Tony Craig's comment doesn't suggest Lilo won't appear. That is good news.

To Elastico's Foot: Oops! Sorry yeah I did misread that. My bad! In regards to your comment about Lilo and the boyfriends etc, I just got a little job doing some more professional writing and my coworker said people in the media are afraid to go outside of the standard romantic plot lines and just do friendship stories because they think friendship stories won't sell as well as romantic stuff. I think my coworker had a point. If they are truly afraid of doing friendship plot lines it could explain at least part of their treatment of LIlo. I love the idea of the experiments pooling their money.
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Elastico's Foot

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Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:46:38 MDT
To JC:

Well, of course he'd say something like that.
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JC

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Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:07:50 MDT
I asked Tony Craig what age Lilo would be if she ever did appear in "Stitch & Ai." He responded saying he supposes it would depend on what the story needed.
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Elastico's Foot

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Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:43:08 MDT
To JC:

An interesting theory. It would certainly justify why Stitch seems more relaxed about being separated from Lilo in the new series, considering they were both away from each other before Stitch was captured; thus they wouldn't have been in contact and Lilo wouldn't notice right away if something happened to Stitch.

All the same, this does seem a little bit like narrative convenience if it is true. If it's not an immediate concern for Stitch to get back to Hawaii, then that's a bit of drama and conflict lost for the sake of having Stitch muck around with Ai in China without consequence.

This all still begs the question; what need is there really for Stitch to leave Lilo or Hawaii? I feel like a broken record; but honestly, I'm still baffled that not one but two shows have taken this utterly bizarre story decision.
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JC

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Tue, 25 Apr 2017 07:09:26 MDT
I sent my theory to Tony Craig via Facebook message. I'll update you all if he replies! :)
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JC

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Tue, 25 Apr 2017 06:42:39 MDT
I have a theory about why Stitch is not eager to return home to Lilo/Hawaii, and it ties into both Tony Craig's Lilo statement and the "Stitch!" anime. In the English dub for "Lilo," the big reunion episode in the anime, Pleakley mentions that while Lilo went to college, Stitch went on a mission for the Galactic Alliance. My thought is, (and the English dub may or may not slightly aid this theory), that Stitch was on a mission which led to his capture by space pirates as seen in the first episode. I know the second band of space pirates (the ones with the platypus-looking leader) are aiming to capture Stitch so they can make their own Experiments, but was that ever made clear to be the motivation of the first pirate group (The one with the green reptilian leader)? Maybe Stitch was on a mission to investigate and/or round up the initial space pirates, but was captured in the process. Lilo would never know Stitch was gone. With a four-year gap between Lilo leaving and their botched reunion on the beach, I feel that leaves quite a lot of time for "Stitch & Ai" to have its full series run without continuity troubles.

And hey, isn't it all the more emotional that one of Stitch's happy peaceful memories is of Lilo, that he thinks of her often, and the day he returns to Hawaii to reunite with her at last... she's not there...?
And it helps put the series on a more concrete place on the timeline, while preserving the fact that Stitch would UNDOUBTEDLY return IMMEDIATELY to Lilo if he knew she were waiting for him.

That's my theory! I hope you all liked it! Talk to you all on the message board!
-JC
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Mon, 24 Apr 2017 21:30:28 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

(If it's math grades that concern your parents, then they should be looking up tutors instead of messing around with their Internet.)

It is possible to maintain a standard of quality while still regularly putting out new installments for the sake of business. The new Star Wars and Marvel content, for instance, are still consistently great even though there's constantly new stuff being made. I think the problem Disney is now faced with Stitch is that they need better writers that can utilize the character in more compelling and appropriate stories. Right now we've got people who rely a lot on gimmicks and trends that attract the casual audiences of a specific culture, and that simply isn't interesting. If we could get writers from the likes of "Danny Phantom", "The Spectacular Spider-Man", "Gargoyles", "Young Justice", "Gravity Falls", or "Adventure Time" to work on Stitch, then we'd really be in for something stupendous, rather than just more rehashing and arbitrary replacements.

I think it would be even more riveting to test the boundaries of the ohana message while having Lilo and Stitch genuinely adhere to them, rather than randomly losing sight of it like in the show. It's one thing to keep one's values in mind, but another entirely to uphold those values when others challenge them. For instance, Stitch could be put in a situation where he has to do something truly terrible to save Lilo, like murder an Experiment or risk the lives of several strangers. (Or Lilo could be saving Stitch instead.) This would force both characters to consider their values of family and loyalty more deeply than they would have otherwise. This can work to strengthen the moral of ohana, and creates a conflict with Lilo or Stitch having to arbitrarily be reminded of this lesson.
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StarryBlast9

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Mon, 24 Apr 2017 19:18:53 MDT
(If these responses are coming late and look a bit weird, it's because most things "Lilo and Stitch" have been blocked from my router until my math grade goes up. Ironically I can only access during school time right now, so it backfired spectacularly. But anyways (and I'm typing from my phone too))

To Elastico's Foot:

It really makes one wonder how exactly Disney views the franchise if it just gets new iterations wherever Stitch is popular. It just comes off as it being viewed as a cash cow of sorts. And if this trend continues, it's going to get real boring real fast. I mean-I'm grateful we have a new iteration of Stitch, but I've already seen these messages before and don't care to have them repeated.

UPDATE: I think it's basically confirmed that Disney sees Stitch as a cash cow and disregards Lilo in the context of your newest post. -.-

I guess an ideal sequel would be either the series rewritten as the darker, more serious show it was originally going to be, a prequel, or a series/interquel with good arguments against the messages and that explores them further.

With what I'm doing with my own fic, its offering criticism of the "Ohana" message and it's done from the perspective of characters who wouldn't necessarily agree with such a message and who got the short end of the stick when it came to it. (Though from Heat's point of view due to most of the experiments having jaded views (him and Angel being the only main characters who actually believe in the message (Tickle-Tummy as well, but she's more a side character)).)

And I really hope that isn't the reason for them making Stitch have a destruction form. Not to mention it completely defeats the purpose of the four other six series who were designed to shoot lasers/plasma.

On another note, I just realized this about the series, but it awfully favored Lilo and Stitch's actions; throwing Nosy and Felix to Gantu and infecting him with Poxy for instance, among several other examples. In some cases, it's actually portrayed as FUNNY for them to do such things.

To Stitchthebest36:

I swear I mentally screeched at the "Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever" trope (I'm sorry it just...it gets on my nerves that Stitch has this random destruction mode.)

I would definitely agree; growing up doesn't mean leaving people behind or separating from them. You can have your own life without having to do such a thing-I mean, look at all the people who kept their childhood friends after growing up. UGH-I wish they did take those creative risks and actually developed their ideas, like experiments working for Gantu and Hamsterviel and other enemies and organizations such as E.G.O . But they didn't and it just looks very bland and formulaic.
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Elastico's Foot

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Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:05:17 MDT
To Stitchthebest36:

To add to your counter-argument to Tony Craig; I don't see why Lilo and Stitch would ever conform to such mundane lifestyle choices. Lilo especially, since her life as a child is already so much more extraordinary than even her incredible imagination could ever fathom, I just can't buy that she would so easily slip into an ordinary way of thinking like "being in a romantic relationship is more important than anything," (hence why I really hate the character of Keoni because he's basically an embodiment of this mindset.) or "I need to leave my family once I can support myself both physically and financially," (Inversely, I've been developing the idea that the Experiments each get jobs of their own, then pool their resources to make a collective living. Then, when Lilo eventually has a new family [I really like the idea of her marrying Dib from "Invader ZIM", but otherwise, I also like the idea of her marrying another woman.], the Experiments are still living with her and helping her earn money, all while raising Lilo's kids together.)

It seems that Tony Craig has lost sight of just how unique Lilo is as a character. Perhaps that's a common flaw amongst the creators of both animes.

Also, I think you misread my comment; it's Spooky who gets taught by Remmy to invade dreams, not Sparky. (Although your misconception makes me ponder if Sparky would be able to do something similar. Perhaps not dream invasion but something like memory erasing by channeling electricity through the brain?)
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Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:49:35 MDT
Team leader Wayne asked me to post any new info I find about Stitch and Ai so I am doing that. Here is some info from TV Tropes about “Stitch and Ai”

• The Other Darrin: Once again, none of the original cast from the films or Lilo & Stitch: The Series return to reprise their roles. Stitch himself is clearly voiced by someone other than Chris Sanders (his creator and original voice actor) and Ben Diskin (his voice actor for the Stitch! anime's English dub).
Role Reprisal: Jess Winfield, who voiced Jumba in the Stitch! anime's English dub, has worked on this show. Considering that (based on the initial English trailer) Jumba sounds a lot like he does in the anime, it's likely that Winfield reprised his role here, although this is yet to be definitively confirmed.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/StitchAndAi
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/StitchAndAi

An unprecedented third TV series for a Disney Animated Canon-based franchise, Stitch & Ainote  (2017) is another spinoff of Lilo & Stitch. This Chinese animated series, produced by Anhui Xinhua Media and Panimation Hwakai Media, has a similar premise to the Stitch! anime before it, as Stitch is again separated from Lilo Pelekai and ends up in a different region of Earth. However, unlike the anime, this show had the assistance of American animators (including Lilo & Stitch: The Series executive producer Tony Craig) and was produced in English first before being dubbed into its local language (Mandarin Chinese).

As shown in the first episode, Stitch has been kidnapped from Lilo by a gang of space criminals who want to replicate Jumba's Experiment 626 research. However, a rival gang attacks their ship wanting Stitch for themselves, allowing him to break free and escape back to Earth in the confusion. Upon reentering Earth's atmosphere, he lands in China's Huangshan mountains where he meets a young local girl named Ai Ling and becomes part of her family. Unfortunately for Stitch, the two space gangs still want to take him, so he's going to need some help to ward them off.

While the show was produced in the English language, an international broadcast has yet to be announced. In the mean time, you can watch the English trailer for the show here.

This Chinese animated series features the following tropes:
• Aliens Speaking English: It's a Lilo & Stitch show. It would be more surprising if it didn't use this trope.
• Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever: In this series, Stitch has the ability mutate into a Kaiju-like monster when he destructive programming kicks in.
• Badass in Distress: We first see Stitch held in captivity by space pirates. Unlike most instances of this trope however, he manages to break free on his own.
• The Cameo: Hämsterviel is briefly shown in the third episode as a prisoner on a volcanic planet breaking rocks. Also counts as Demoted to Extra.
• Canon Foreigner: All over again! This show introduces not only a new human cast, but also new villains from space.
• Continuity Nod: Ice-Cream Man comes back in the first episode and still loses his ice cream. Subverted in that he's actually not the real Ice-Cream Man.
• Evil Versus Evil: Two rival gangs of space pirates are fighting over Stitch.
• Instant Awesome, Just Add Dragons: Since this show is partly inspired by Chinese Mythology, of course Chinese dragons are going to appear.
• Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!: The two space gangs fighting over Stitch in the first episode cause him to break free and escape them.
• Non-Standard Character Design:
◦ Subverted with the new human and non-experiment alien characters, as they are designed similarly to those seen in the films and Lilo & Stitch: The Series.
◦ However, most of the new experiments on this show don't look like traditional experiments for the most part, and the ones that do resemble traditional experiments have much more complex designs. Check them out for yourself. (Note: links contain spoilers.)
• One-Winged Angel: This show introduces a new form of Stitch for when his destructive programming is triggered. He grows into a giant beast with glowing red eyes and four tendril-like appendages that allow him to fire plasma from his body.
• Pun-Based Title: Ai is pronounced the same as the English letter and pronoun "I". You can figure out the rest from there.
• Recycled IN SPACE!: Stitch! in China.
• Scenery Porn: This show likes to emphasize just how beautiful the Huangshan mountains are.
• Science Fantasy: Like the Stitch! anime, this show mixes the Lilo & Stitch franchise's brand of science fiction with the local mythology of a region, with Chinese Mythology being implemented this time around.
• Sequel Non-Entity: Even though this show features brand-new experiments, it appears that none of the previously-seen experiments besides Stitch himself will return on this show. Not even Reuben (625) nor Angel (624) have appeared yet.
• Sequel Series: Number three for the Lilo & Stitch franchise. However, this show seems to be disregarding all previous sequel material this time around (or at the very least the Stitch! anime).
• Stealth Sequel: Averted; Lilo is explicitly shown in flashbacks in the first episode, quickly establishing this show as taking place after the original film.
• Suspiciously Similar Substitute/Expy: Ai Ling for both Lilo Pelekai and Yuna Kamihara, although Ai is much closer to the former than the latter was.
Vocal Evolution: Whoever is voicing Stitch here is using a significantly deeper pitch for him than either Chris Sanders or Ben Diskin.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Animation/StitchAndAi

Stitch! has been succeeded in the franchise in 2017 by the Chinese animated series Stitch & Ai, which shares a similar premise with the anime.note  Unlike the anime however, Stitch & Ai had the assistance of American animators during production and was produced in English first before being dubbed into its local language.note Also, Stitch didn't deliberately leave Lilo this time around; he was kidnapped by a space gang.

I also found an episode list for "Stitch and Ai". Google Translated episode list for “Stitch and Ai” (rough translation only! and couldn’t get the title for ep 13 sorry)

Episode 1 “Stitch and Ai”

Episode 2 “Home is the most important place”

Episode 3: “Alien Visitors”

Episode 4 “Magic Bamboo”

Episode 5 “Love Power”

Episode 6 “Concentric Lock”

Episode 7 “Dragon Dance Celebration”

Episode 8 “To Tell the World”

Episode 9 “Phioenix”

Episode 10 “Dream”

Episode 11 “Opera”

Episode 12 “Brothers”

List came from here http://tv.cntv.cn/videoset/VSET100334323605

Show description from google translate Column description : animation "An Ling and Stitch" to China Huangshan as the story of the background to the Chinese image for the creation of elements, about Huangshan girl An Ling and alien creatures Stedy's adventure, through the three-dimensional perspective and full of children Fun aesthetic, showing a peaceful and full of vitality Huizhou people living, showing the traditional Chinese culture and modern life of the close integration.



To Starryblast9 and Elastico’s Foot: You both make good points and have voiced your arguments well. To me my biggest problem with Tony Craig’s line of reasoning is that to him Lilo and Stitch have to be separate in order to grow up. I don’t like the idea of having to separate from one’s family in order to be an adult. Separating from one’s family in adulthood is a very mainland U.S culture idea and seems to conflict directly with the message of Ohana. Please understand I am a big believer in Independence and self sufficiency but one can be living separately from their family yet still be fully involved with family. I also think Lilo & Stitch The Series could have gone well beyond 100 episodes if the writers had taken some real creative risks and did some of the things you suggested. I think the giant Stitch design with the lasers is simply a rehash of the “Stitch!” anime season 3 episode “Promise to Mega Stitch”. I also think some stuff that we as adult fans view as filler may not be viewed as filer when a 6 year old is watching the same show(example: I didn't think the Land Before Time sequels were filler until I was 12 LOL) but I also think young kids can handle more complex stories and if the writers put more effort in by changing the formula just slightly every now and then would it have really helped. It could be that they fear fan backlash over changes to formula of a show will ruin ratings but My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic is constantly making changes and allowing characters to really grow more deeply and for the most part this has been hugely successful so the writers should have tried spicing Lilo & Stitch up a bit.

To Elastico’s Foot: Guessing Sparky can learn to get into dreams because he can control electricity and the brain runs on electricity.

To Simba100: It is not known if the experiments will appear but I will keep you posted. I put your Angel song link on the tumblr blog.
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Elastico's Foot

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Thu, 20 Apr 2017 00:36:04 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

Well, here's a solution to both of the issues you've brought up. See, the original Lilo & Stitch film is brilliant not only for how well it captures the harrowing loneliness of depression and grief, especially in childhood, but how it uses a character like Stitch, whose origins are more fantastical than Lilo's life before his arrival, to explore those themes. A sequel or, perhaps better for a sci-fi concept, a series, could then go the inverse route; explore Stitch's world through Lilo's perspective after having seen Lilo's through Stitch's.
Going back to the Harry Potter and Star Wars examples, those worlds are effective because they begin by introducing the most basic elements of their worlds. "The Philosopher's Stone" establishes Hogwarts and a few other simple facts about the magical world like some basic spells and Quidditch and, of course, Lord Voldemort, before delving more into the history of this world in "The Chamber of Secrets" and especially in "The Prisoner of Azkaban." Similarly, "A New Hope" introduces the basic elements of the conflict between the Empire and the Rebel Alliance, but then "The Empire Strikes Back" explores more about what the Force is and how it works, and also elaborates further on who Darth Vader is and why he's become who he is.
A follow-up to Lilo & Stitch should do the same thing. Build more upon the world and go deeper into it, now that the characters who we'll be venturing with have been well rooted into our hearts and minds. Reveal more about why Jumba and Hamsterviel would want to make Experiments for destructive purposes (I've written, for instance, that the venture was initially to create a new species from scratch for scientific purposes, but shifted to a more revolutionary goal after Hamsterviel's son was killed. It's because of this that an Experiment like 627 has plentiful combat potential, but an Experiment like Felix, Number 10, has less power.), as well as the Galactic Federation (I've written that they're a single government reigning over multiple planets and cultures. Their flag even represents this; an large oval with lines connecting it to six smaller circles.), and a few Experiments could even have some backstories as complex and compelling as Stitch's. (I've elected to choose just a few Experiments to focus on and develop; quality over quantity. In some cases I've revealed some details about non-featured Experiments, such as PJ being a former boyfriend of Elastico, Belle being a former girlfriend of Bonnie, and Remmy being an arrogant and cynical yet clever Experiment who taught Spooky how to invade dreams.)

So this might be a better direction to take a new series than a "new generation" sort of idea. This way we go deeper into the world, rather than sidestepping through the same level of revelation the way "Stitch!" and "Stitch and Ai" do regardless of their quality.

And I'll agree with your complaint about Stitch's new destructive mode in the Chinese series. I assume they did that because it's easier to animate mass destruction when you can draw the destroyed environment smaller.
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StarryBlast9

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Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:12:47 MDT
I suppose the reason I brought it up was because I feel an iteration with adult Lilo may be...fanservice in a sense. Or at least I'm a bit worried it may be such. I mean-it's what we as fans want and it's kind of esoteric (from my perspective-it just comes off as this "next generation" thing and I personally think things like that should be left to the fans to speculate). I don't know; maybe it's because I myself like things in the franchise that are basically niches where not many people like or even know about them, and I know stuff that I personally want probably wouldn't resonate well with everyone else.

Just spent some time today catching up on all the creature concepts in Harry Potter and Star Wars for a comparison, and then I realized we don't even know how the Galactic Federation WORKS, what exactly uburnium and kresonite are, or anything about Galaxy Defense Industries (Jumba's former job). This on top of you actually having to come up with motivations besides "science!" for your fic and...WOW. We really DON'T know much about the world in the Lilo and Stitch franchise.

Also... I found something that bothered me with Stitch in Stitch and Ai: his destruction mode. Just...WHAT? Laser arms and growing to Godzilla size aren't exactly needed with Stitch in my view. He was perfectly fine destroying cities the way he was. Again-WHAT.
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Elastico's Foot

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Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:35:10 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

Yeah, those are great examples. There's even things like the Ducktales reboot coming up that will fall into the same category.

And that's really a shame because there's a lot that can be done with space lore. Heck, I've developed a whole history for my version, which traces the Experiments' origins to being created as Hamsterviel's means of getting revenge on the Federation for not giving Gantu, who was responsible for his son's death, the punishment he felt he deserved. It's amazing how rich a universe like those of Game of Thrones, Harry Potter, or Star Wars can become simply through previous events that the characters bring up. Even if we're never shown them, it still makes for great world building. A new Stitch series could really benefit from that kind of storytelling.
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StarryBlast9

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Mon, 17 Apr 2017 02:18:41 MDT
To Elastico's Foot:

I suppose it all depends-which direction that's taken and where the story goes. Stuff like Tangled: Before Ever After and The Lion Guard also weren't expected or wanted, and yet they ended up fairly well received, so thanks for bringing that up (managed to forget about that reception for whatever reason).

I'm personally not happy about this issue. Me being an experiment fan and knowing that there's a lot of untouched potential within the original, it's a shame to see it go to waste so we could basically learn the same thing as we did with the original. And plus it just invalidates Stitch's development and Lilo's value as a character, not to mention leads to a completely scattered timeline and a ton of confusion (good luck with consistent canon I guess-wonder if it's going to hit SCP Foundation levels i.e NO canon).

In fact-tons of things weren't ever developed in the original; from the experiments to even those creatures that were used to create Stitch. They had an entire galaxy to work with and they did nothing with it. -.-
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Sun, 16 Apr 2017 23:08:52 MDT
To StarryBlast9:

Well, the thing about people is that they don't always know what they want. Sometimes you just need to have confidence in an idea, and it might actually end up being brilliant. I'm sure nobody really wanted a whole movie about Lego, but that turned out to be fantastic. I don't believe anyone was anxious for a Disney and Final Fantasy crossover, and yet the Kingdom Hearts series has a huge following. Ambition, confidence, and talent can come together to be much greater powers than demand. The public may want more Frozen stuff, but that doesn't mean that it's worth making, or that it will be worthwhile.

I'm glad you brought that up; that's another thing that worries me, too. I already found it a little grating that Stitch was crash landing somewhere a third time now, and I fear that somebody somewhere is already plotting a fourth. There's really no need to create a new lore when one already exists. Plus, it also begs the question; what's the point of anything Stitch goes through if his adventures are just going to be reset again. That also factors into why Lilo shouldn't be replaced; now Stitch ends up back at square one and his character development up until that point is essentially invalidated.
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